815: Deno 2 with Ryan Dahl
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Wes Bos
4.9 • 1.1K Ratings
🗓️ 30 August 2024
⏱️ 45 minutes
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Summary
In this episode of Syntax, Wes and Scott talk with Ryan Dahl about Deno 2.0, its new features and use of web standards, and how it seamlessly integrates with popular frameworks like Next.js. Ryan shares insights on the motivations behind Deno’s creation, its emphasis on simplicity and security, and offers his take on the evolving JavaScript ecosystem.
Show Notes
- 00:00 Welcome to Syntax!
- 00:34 What is Deno?
- 05:08 Deno 2.0
- 07:49 NPM compatibility
- 09:40 What parts of Node aren’t doable in Deno?
- 11:22 Do we need a hard break from Require?
- 13:51 Package management
- 16:25 Security and performance benefits of Deno
- 20:57 Brought to you by Sentry.io
- 20:57 Thoughts on Bun and Node additions
- 26:25 Ryan’s favorite Deno projects
- 28:42 Will we ever see a unified file system API?
- 31:49 Typescript
- 36:12 Jupyter Notebooks with Deno
- 39:11 AI and WASM in JavaScript
- 42:01 Deno 2.0 features and future
- 43:08 Sick Picks & Shameless Plugs
Sick Picks
- Ryan: McCarren Park
Shameless Plugs
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| 0:13.3 | Welcome to Syntax. Today we have Ryan Dahl on the podcast once again to talk to us about Dino 2.0, what the future of Dino looks like, some of the new exciting features, and I'm sure we're going to talk a little bit more about |
| 0:16.0 | JSR and whatnot that comes up. Probably everybody knows this but Ryan obviously creator of no-JS, |
| 0:20.8 | prolific developer and he's been the last, I don't know, how many years has |
| 0:25.5 | Dino been around? |
| 0:26.5 | Four or five? |
| 0:27.5 | Seven actually since we started it. |
| 0:30.8 | It's been, yeah, maybe four since it's become a company. |
| 0:34.0 | That's awesome. Give us a quick rundown of what Dino is for anyone who hasn't heard of it. |
| 0:40.0 | Dino is a server-side JavaScript system. It's pretty, you know, in the same boat as |
| 0:46.0 | Node J.S. and in a pretty real way is like my continuation of the node project. |
| 0:53.0 | Node has all of these ways of operating with node modules, folders, |
| 0:58.0 | and package jason that aren't necessarily specified in any standard. |
| 1:03.4 | Dino is really trying to simplify this |
| 1:05.6 | and make server-side JavaScript as beautiful |
| 1:08.4 | as it can be because JavaScript is the default programming language and deserves a great future. |
| 1:15.0 | Yeah, yeah, absolutely and the one thing that I think a lot of people have appreciated about |
| 1:20.0 | Dino is the fact that it is using web standards overall, but it feels like it's just easier to get up and running with and easier to use and less effort. |
| 1:32.0 | Has that always been part of the goal with Dinos to make it easy to pick up? |
| 1:37.8 | I mean that was even the goal with with node originally is I mean not working in JavaScript because it's a beautiful |
| 1:45.8 | language we're working in it because it's very familiar to people and as being a |
| 1:51.1 | scripting language you know being able to program a web server, which was, you know, a main focus back in in 2009 with with node. |
| 1:58.7 | In just a couple of lines of code is is amazing, right? And JavaScript has grown tremendously since 2009 and yeah, I mean if you work in this |
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