Welcome to the Council of Trend Podcast, a production of Catholic Answers.

It seems like most people would want to go to heaven.

That is not the case with my guest today, which will make for really fruitful and interesting dialogue.

So welcome to the Council of Trent Podcast. I'm your host,

Caliganches Apologist Trent Horn. Joining me today is Brandon, the host of the YouTube channel Mindshift.

He is a non-religious youtuber I'm sure you would identify as an atheist.

Yeah, Brandon. Yeah for general purposes. Sure And recently you put out a video, I thought was really interesting.

It would have been a great subject for doing a video reply to, but I thought it would be more

interesting to have kind of a one-on-one dialogue of the points that you brought up rather than just a straight reply to it.

So the video you did is called The Problems with Paradise Seven Reasons Why Heaven

Fales. So before we get into the video itself and talk about

the issues that you raise with the doctrine of heaven.

Could you tell our audience a little bit more about yourself and your channel?

Sure, yeah and thanks for having me on instead of just making a reply video.

I think it's great to be able to speak about it whenever possible so I

appreciate that yeah my name's Brandon I started YouTube channel just about five months

ago now and I'm really happy with what I'm trying to accomplish at least or the goal of it which is just helping people who were in my spot.

I was a believer for 30 years and was pretty involved from missions to ministry to Bible school etc. I feel like I have a pretty good at least

Protestant base which will be interesting talking to you Trent and yeah I'm working my way through the Bible

from a secular objective perspective with what we can know and just covering topics

like this heaven granted I think it's kind of funny this is the one we're going to talk about.

There's a thousand things I'd love to eventually talk to you about.

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