I'm Neil deGrasse Tyson.

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And I am the fourth listener.

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It's Dogma Debate with your host, Michael Regillio.

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please head over to dogma debate.com and join our Patreon. And welcome to what absolutely

promises to be a great episode of dogma debate because I've got John Collins here, author

John Collins, and I came across John's

work because of the very unfortunate event of the shootings in Minnesota by what I would,

with my layman's terms, call a religious nutball.

And I started looking into it.

And I've talked many times on the show about Christian nationalism, the Heritage Foundation, and how this all ties into what's going on in America today.

But I discovered the new apostolic reformation is actually the movement that the gentleman, I almost said gentleman.

I can't call this man a gentleman, Vance Bolter, the piece of garbage, who is responsible

for the shootings in Minnesota, associates himself with the New Epistolic Reformation. And John is an

absolute expert on it. In fact, he's written a book on the subject entitled, Weaponized religion

from Christian identity to the NAR, New Apostolic Reformation.

We've got them here today to teach us all about it. John, thanks so much for joining us.

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