I'm Levy Dalton and this is all drink to that where we get behind the scenes of the wine business. Oh, Jim Clendeninenin is here today. Hello sir, how are you? I'm great lovey. Nice to be here.

One of the real legends of California wine making, especially Southern California winemaking, somebody I've always looked up to and the mind behind Aban Klimont and also Clenden Family Winery and Ishi de Ba'ba. Hello. Hey, great to be here. So you started, you know, you got out of the law track in the 70s and you decided after a trip to Europe to maybe throw your hat in the

wine making ring how did it all really happen you know it was a really chaotic time in

the in the 70s as you well know emotionally and politically and I was a great student when I was young in Ohio

I moved to California it became more and more difficult through the late 60s to actually

care that much about school and there was a lot going on.

And so I went to UC Santa Barbara.

That was pretty much all that my parents would pay for, state school system, nothing else.

And did well there and graduated in a pre-law degree, but was just pretty much

done with my idea of attending class and going to class, and the concept of being a law student was something that was quite difficult.

So I took a year, as you mentioned in Europe in 1974 and went to 18 countries but spent quite a bit of

time in France, Spain, Italy, in wine regions.

Then I went back after graduating in 1977 and spent time in Champaign and in Burgundy.

And after spending, I effectively turned 21 living in Bordeaux

the University of California, Santa Barbara had its overseas program studying at the

University of Télance and so I ended up coming back after the 77 trip

thinking that I could actually make a living in the wine business when I saw

people in Burgundy. In Bordeaux you can't unless you're a Duke Count Baron or Prince

it's not going to happen. In Burgundy if you have a tractor three rows of vines and a room for

20 or 30 barrels in your basement you can be as powerful as anybody in the area. So I applied

to law school, one law school bolt hall at Berkeley and I was late in my

application. They didn't accept me and I sort of dragon hose and worked for

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