Welcome to another special episode of The Restisted Politics with me, Anastakamble.

And me, Rory Stewart.

And I say special because we've got a very special guest.

We're thrilled to have another former Prime Minister, another female former Prime Minister,

another Antipodian former Prime Minister in the form of Helen Clark who was Prime Minister

of New Zealand from 1999 to 2008, who was leader of the Labour Party in New Zealand.

I think I'm right in saying for even longer than my old boss was leader of the Labour Party

here.

You've leader of the Labour Party for 15 years.

And have stayed very, very involved in public policy.

You chaired the World Health Organization inquiry into COVID.

You are very into the whole extractive industries and how that might relate to climate.

And you buzz around the world doing all sorts of things.

And one thing I know that Rory wants to talk about in particular is the head of UNDP

focused on the United Nations Development Programme.

But you come to us to this splendid jazz club somewhere in Soho, hotfoot from Prime Minister's

questions.

I'm amazed that you even...

I mean, why did you want to go and watch it, Helen?

I love Prime Minister's questions.

I still see the snippets on the BBC News when I'm home.

And I first began popping into PMQ when I was a student on a scholarship in London in 1976

...