81 - An Unlikely Court Case w/ Maya Forstater
Gender: A Wider Lens
Sasha Ayad and Stella O'Malley
4.6 • 961 Ratings
🗓️ 5 August 2022
⏱️ 71 minutes
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Summary
Maya Forstater is a researcher, writer, and advisor working on business and sustainable development. She is one of the founders of Sex Matters, the UK-based, not-for-profit organization that seeks to re-establish that sex matters in rules, laws, policies, language, and culture.
In 2019, she lost her job after tweeting and writing about sex and gender. She had begun talking and tweeting about news articles that she felt espoused bizarre new beliefs about gender and what the implications may be. For example, while building a campaign to combat overly-sex-segregated toys for children, called Let Toys be Toys, Maya observed that society had shifted from fighting sex stereotypes to claiming that some children were neither girls nor boys. It was fascinating to learn that even when researching tax policy, Maya found herself calling out unrealistic, utopian ideas and ruffling feathers among her liberal peers. In this conversation, Maya also reflects on her unlikely position in her landmark court case which established that gender-critical views are protected as a belief under the equality act. Despite her reluctance to jump into a complex and messy legal process, she felt a strong conviction to take this on.
Links:
- Wider Lens Renewal Retreat — Arizona 2022:
https://www.eventbrite.com/e/wider-lens-renewal-retreats-arizona-2022-tickets-368655377157
- Sex Matters:
- Let Toys Be Toys:
https://www.lettoysbetoys.org.uk/
- Twitter Handle: https://www.twitter.com/@MForstater
- More of Maya’s Writing:
https://a-question-of-consent.net/
Extended Notes
- In 2017, Maya took notice of the gender wars and started the “Let Toys Be Toys” campaign.
- Maya believes women are women and women have rights.
- It is widely spread that Maya is a Tax Accountant but her role in social justice is much more than that.
- Maya challenges people to engage in issues on Twitter and in her workplace.
- An employer told Maya that because she retweeted Kathleen Stock she was a bigot.
- Maya retained her job after explaining her plight on a blog and Twitter.
- Her father’s legal experience influenced Maya about whether or not to sue others.
- There is a legal time limit on discrimination cases.
- At the moment Maya was prepared to launch a public campaign, a major social justice law firm dropped her case.
- Maya has public support from those unable to raise their voice at work.
- The first hearing, that Maya lost, was about sex being real and a protected philosophical belief.
- In the first trial, a judge called Maya an Absolutist.
- A tweet from JK Rowling catapulted Maya’s campaign into the international spotlight.
- In 2021, Maya finally won a case that created a precedent that gender-critical people have the same rights as religious people.
- Sex Matters is an organization Maya founded to educate people about their rights.
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| 0:00.0 | You're listening to gender, a wider lens. |
| 0:04.0 | I'm Stella O'Malley, a psychotherapist in Ireland. |
| 0:06.5 | And I'm Sasha Ayad, an adolescent therapist in the United States. |
| 0:10.6 | Since 2016, my practice has been exclusively dedicated to gender questioning teens |
| 0:16.1 | and families impacted by gender dysphoria. |
| 0:19.0 | I also work with gender questioning teenagers and I facilitated support meetings for families and |
| 0:24.2 | individuals who have been impacted by gender issues. We're curious about the |
| 0:28.0 | concept of gender and how it's unfolding in the wider culture. Join us as we look at gender through a wider lens. |
| 0:35.0 | We're really looking forward to our second wider lens renewal retreat |
| 0:41.0 | at the very end of October. |
| 0:42.0 | Yes, it's going to be right here in my backyard in beautiful Scottsdale, Arizona. |
| 0:47.2 | It was a really special occasion and it really did seem to be truly transformative and parents who attended last time were |
| 0:54.3 | very keen to come together for another retreat. Yeah and for those of you who didn't |
| 0:59.0 | attend last time this is a retreat for parents who are seeking a deeper understanding of themselves and of their gender questioning child. |
| 1:07.0 | And it's also for parents who need some time out for some self-reflection and who want a parent with more confidence. |
| 1:13.0 | Yeah, so please join me, Stella, and our dear friend and colleague Lisa Marchiano in Scottsdale, Arizona this fall. |
| 1:21.0 | The Event Bright link will be in the show notes and you can also Google |
| 1:24.7 | Wider Lens Renewal Retreat Arizona. We hope to see you there. |
| 1:29.2 | Maya Forstatter is a researcher, writer, and advisor working on business and sustainable development. |
| 1:36.0 | She's one of the founders of Sex Matters, a UK-based not-for-profit organization that seeks to re-establish that sex indeed does matter in rules, laws, policies, language, and culture. |
| 1:49.0 | In 2019, Maya lost her job after tweeting and writing about sex and gender. |
| 1:54.8 | She had begun talking about news articles which she felt espoused some bizarre new beliefs |
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