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Wet Fly Swing Fly Fishing Podcast

805 | An Exercise in Uncertainty with Jonathan Gluck – Fly Fishing Memoir, Multiple Myeloma Journey, Manhattan Casting Story

Wet Fly Swing Fly Fishing Podcast

Dave Stewart

Hobbies, Wilderness, Leisure, Sports

4.7530 Ratings

🗓️ 27 August 2025

⏱️ 65 minutes

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#805 Show Notes: https://wetflyswing.com/805

Presented By: Stonefly Nets, Intrepid Camp Gear, Mountain Waters Resort, Patagonia

Sponsors: https://wetflyswing.com/sponsors

Ever find yourself standing on a river's edge, the line in the water, and somehow everything makes sense, even when nothing should? That's where I landed with Jonathan "Jon" Gluck, a writer, editor, and fly-fishing lifer—or at least, someone whose lifeline came through steelhead-strength treatments and the quiet grace of a swing.

Jon was told he had about 18 months to live after a multiple myeloma diagnosis more than two decades ago. Instead of slowing down, he found healing where you'd expect it least—in the gentle arc of a cast, the flash of the fly, the now. There's a lot of power in An Exercise in Uncertainty, his memoir, but even more in the way Jon leans into what fishing gives us: calm, clarity, and a reminder that presence is everything.

#805 Show Notes: https://wetflyswing.com/805

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0:00.0

What happens when a New York media insider trades glossy covers and deadlines for the quiet rhythm of a flycast?

0:09.0

In today's episode, you understand how one person's journey in fly fishing became a lifeline in the face of a life-altering diagnosis.

0:17.7

What's like to cast a fly rod on the streets of Manhattan and some of the

0:21.7

interesting looks you might get doing that and how writing a memoir became an unexpected path

0:27.9

towards peace. This is the Wet Fly Swing podcast where I show you the best places to travel to

0:32.4

for fly fishing, how to find the best resources and tools to prepare for that big trip,

0:36.9

and what you can do to give back to fish species we all love.

0:41.1

John Gluck from the magazine offices to Alaskan Rivers.

0:44.4

Today's guest has lived through it all.

0:46.1

He's written about it and he's fished his way through it.

0:49.2

Here we go.

0:49.7

Let's get into it.

0:50.3

John Gluck, writer, angler, and author of An Exercise in Uncertainty.

0:57.3

So how you doing, John?

0:58.6

Good, Dave. How are you?

0:59.9

Great, great. We're going to get into a topic today, which is, you know, not all, I guess,

1:05.7

well, hopefully there's a lot of positive in the message today, but you have a form of incurable blood cancer. We're going to talk about

1:12.2

that. The book you've written and exercised in uncertainty. You've been out there writing for the New York

1:17.0

Times. I know you've appeared on Oprah. I mean, it sounds like you have a great message. We're going to

1:22.1

talk about that and how that might help people as we talk about fly fishing as well and how that's

1:27.2

helped you through your process. But can you give us an update, you know, where you're at, what you're dealing with? And we're going to get into more on fly fishing. But start there. How are things going these days? Yeah, I mean, that's the positive part of the story for sure. If not, you know, some people have told me downright inspiring, which is, yes, I do have this illness.

1:46.0

And I was originally told I might have as little as 18 months to live.

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