#803: Craig Mod Returns — Epic Walks in Japan, The Art of Slowness, Digital Detox, Publishing “Impossible” Books, and Choosing Beauty Over Scale
The Tim Ferriss Show
Tim Ferriss: Bestselling Author, Human Guinea Pig
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🗓️ 27 March 2025
⏱️ 149 minutes
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Summary
Craig Mod Returns! Craig is a writer, photographer, and walker living in Tokyo and Kamakura, Japan. He is the author of Things Become Other Things and Kissa by Kissa. He also writes the newsletters Roden and Ridgeline and has contributed to The New York Times, The Atlantic, Wired, and more.
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Timestamps:
[00:00:00] Start.
[00:07:25] More than a decade of Perfect Days in a six-tatami mat room.
[00:10:44] The first steps of Craig’s huge walks: exploring Tokyo’s nightlife.
[00:17:33] Discovering pilgrimage trails with John McBride.
[00:22:49] What’s so appealing about pilgrimage trails?
[00:31:25] Learning politeness and language in Japan.
[00:40:09] An invitation from Kevin Kelly.
[00:41:23] The birth of a photo book.
[00:42:50] The big solo walks begin.
[00:43:53] Launching a membership program.
[00:44:58] The Nakasendō experience.
[00:50:01] Craig’s rules for walking.
[00:51:04] The Vipassana influence.
[01:00:43] Logistics of walking in Japan.
[01:09:03] Depopulation and pizza toast.
[01:13:42] How Kissa by Kissa came to be (and its unexpected success).
[01:16:34] Kicking off Craigstarter.
[01:17:47] The pièce de résistance membership strategy.
[01:18:41] Finding product-market fit.
[01:19:12] The importance of sustainable scale.
[01:19:50] Membership community rules.
[01:27:15] Navigating the publishing world.
[01:38:37] Promoting midsize cities in Japan as a wild and strange celebrity.
[01:52:50] The economic and cultural effects of this promotion.
[01:54:46] Hidden gems and walks in Japan.
[01:56:56] Walking beyond Japan.
[01:59:47] Craig was a Mod before you was a mod.
[02:00:47] How Craig reconnected with his birth family.
[02:19:32] Reflections and future plans.
[02:23:00] Parting thoughts.
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| 0:17.2 | Your dog hates SMS. |
| 0:19.1 | Sure. |
| 0:19.3 | Yeah. |
| 0:20.5 | Give me a second to deal with this. |
| 0:22.5 | Never had my dog vomit while I'm recording a podcast right next to me before. |
| 0:27.4 | That's a new one. |
| 0:28.0 | This is the glamorous life of a podcaster, folks. |
| 0:34.0 | Hello, boys and girls, ladies and germs. |
| 0:36.5 | This is Tim Ferriss. |
| 0:37.4 | Welcome to another episode of The Tim Ferriss Show, where it is my job every episode to deconstruct world-class performers, people who are the best at what they do, people who are the deepest in the deep end of whatever their specialty happens to be. |
| 0:52.1 | This episode that you are going to hear is my second |
| 0:55.4 | interview, my second conversation with Craig Mod, a gem of a human being. Love the guy. |
| 1:01.8 | Now, important note, though, you do not need the first interview to enjoy this one. This, |
| 1:07.8 | what you're about to listen to, is perfectly self-sufficient as a standalone conversation. |
| 1:12.1 | So, go forth. Enjoy. But if you also want to check out our first combo, which covers his early |
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