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My name is, everybody, how are you? Welcome to The Other People Show. My name is Brad Listy. I am in Los Angeles, California. It is good to be with you. I hope you're doing all right wherever you happen to be listening. And I'm very excited about today's episode.

My guest is Pete Sue, author of the award-winning short story collection entitled,

If I Were the Ocean, I'd carry you home.

Things that happen when you're in some ways like pre-verbal,

it's, well, it is a lot harder to put language to it because it's much more like a sensory or I guess emotional

or relational kind of impact on you.

Those things are my obsessions as a writer.

That's why it comes out in my book.

It probably will come out and everything I write in the foreseeable future.

One of the things I do wonder about is the idea that, like, there was, and there probably

still is, some ideology around, like, keeping secrets as a way to protect children.

So that's like, definitely was something in my family.

I don't want to general, overgeneralize the cultures,

but I'm sure every culture has some part, some population within it that believes that.

And I don't know, I don't think that helps kids actually in the end, you know, like keeping secrets.

Because the thing is, like for me, for sure, I still felt all the damage of whatever happened you know

everything that happened it's still a part of me is ingrained into my into my body

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