This is I don't speak German.

I'm Jack Graham, he, him, and in this podcast, I talk to my friend Daniel Harper,

also he, him, about what he learned from years of listening to today's Nazis,

white nationalists, white supremacists, and what they say to each other when they don't think we're

listening. Be warned, this is difficult subject matter. Content warnings always apply.

And it's episode 80, which is a lovely number, eight, oh, I love that number. 80,

of I don't speak German, featuring myself as usual, and Daniel, as usual, also. Hello, Daniel.

Eight more, and we'll have to quit. Yeah, I knew you were going to make a big deal about that.

See, that's a nice number as well, and I've stolen it from us. I hate them for that.

So yeah, today we are interviewing, having as our treasured guest, Shannon Foley Martinez,

someone who I've known for a long time, and who is a former white nationalist, and MSNBC contributor,

actually, like, like, are good, like, our most famous guest host, I guess, which is amazing.

So one of the things that we've kind of run into on this podcast is the nature of kind of inviting

farmers on the show, something that I've resisted for quite a long time, for I think very good

reasons, because most people who come out of that former sphere tend to have agendas of one

kind or another. But Shannon and I have been talking for a while, and I think that she has a lot of

really great insights that will be very useful for this audience. And so, Shannon, welcome to

the show. Thank you for coming on. Thank you guys so much for having me. It's just such a pleasure

to be here with you all. So I guess as a kind of a first step, could you tell us very briefly

what your kind of history in the movement is? So I was, I'm 46 now, and I was in the movement as like

a white power neo nazi skinhead. I didn't have any official affiliation. There were hammer skins

around, and there were some other like official affiliations, like in my orbit, but I never patched

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