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The Patrick Coffin Show | Interviews with influencers | Commentary about culture | Tools for transformation

80: Will America perish without Rome?—Timothy Gordon

The Patrick Coffin Show | Interviews with influencers | Commentary about culture | Tools for transformation

Patrick Coffin

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🗓️ 19 June 2018

⏱️ 45 minutes

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Summary

This is fascinating. What is the nature of the great experiment called “America”? We say that Poland is a Catholic country, India is a Hindu country, and Turkey is a Muslim country, and so on.

We also say America is a Christian country. But in what sense? Because the majority are followers of Jesus? But Jesus isn’t mentioned in the Constitution, the Declaration of Independence, or the Bill of Rights—the Christian religion is nowhere endorsed as the state religion.

My guest this week unpacks the foundational source—the real thinkers and philosophical ingredients that went into the essentially American recipe. His name is Timothy Gordon and his provocative new book is titled Catholic Republic: Why America Will Perish Without Rome. https://amzn.to/2lcTB5M

He finds six crypto-Catholic elements present in the founding of America, and takes pains to show how the founders did not exactly cite the sources (like St. Thomas Aquinas, Aristotle, and St. Augustine) for these elements. Gordon says “America is wired Catholic, labeled Protestant, and currently functions as secular.”

Lots to chew on after this interview with Tim Gordon, to say the least.

In this interview you will learn:

  • How anti-Catholic bias of 18th century America kept our Protestant and Enlightenment forefathers from admitting their dependence upon Catholic ideals
  • How the signs of the decline of America (from abortion on demand to the redefinition of marriage to crushing debt to the paganized pop culture) do not signal the inevitable end of the republic
  • Why America was never intended to be an empire and how international incursions have not been good for the nation’s health
  • The way in which America can “become more Catholic” without becoming the dreaded bugaboo “theocracy”
  • How relativism has been deliberately inserted into public life primarily through the Supreme Court
  • Why truth can never be determined by a poll or nose count, and why it matters

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Do you believe America is specifically biased against Catholics?

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0:00.0

Welcome to episode 80 of the Patrick Coffin Show. I'm Dr. Jordan B Peterson. Clean up your damn room.

0:08.0

Stand up straight with your shoulders back and listen to the Patrick Coffin Show.

0:13.0

Welcome to the show.

0:15.0

It's a dangerous show today.

0:17.0

We're going to talk about a dangerous book

0:20.0

published by Milo Yinopoulos' new publishing house, I think that's the right word, house, structure

0:26.8

of some kind, dangerous books. We talk about Spain or maybe more accurately, Poland is a is a Catholic country India is a Hindu country

0:35.8

what is America what's the structure the DNA that went into the idea of this great

0:41.3

experiment called America there's a new book out that

0:45.1

maintains that without Rome America will perish. Provocative thesis, I

0:50.5

can't wait to dig into it with you right now straight ahead on the Patrick

0:54.0

Coffin show.

0:57.0

Welcome back.

1:04.0

Yes indeed, Timothy Gordon holds degrees in philosophy, literature and law.

1:08.0

He's taught at various schools and community colleges across Southern California.

1:11.6

His essays and commentaries have appeared all over

1:13.8

the place and spots like the imaginative, imaginative, conservative, and elsewhere. He's also the

1:18.9

author of the book we're going to dig into today. Catholic Republic, America will perish without Rome. Tim Gordon,

1:25.9

great to have you on the show, sir. Thanks so much, Pat. I like how you really beat

1:30.5

around the bush about what your book is about. You know, it's like, what is he trying to say here?

1:34.6

I like to leave it vague.

1:36.6

I first encountered your thought on this in Catholic Answers magazine probably a year ago and it was a kind of a distilled version of the

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