Welcome back to the Lincoln Project. I'm your host, Reed Galen. Today, I'm joined by

Senior Advisor to the Lincoln Project and former Executive Director of the Michigan Republican

Party, Jeff Temer. Jeff, good to have you. Glad to be here, Reed.

Also on the show today is Journalist and Senior Fellow at Fairvote, David Daly. David

is the author of Ratt Fucked, the true story behind the secret plan to steal America's

democracy and his latest book, Unrigged. How Americans are battling back to save democracy.

David, welcome to the show.

Pleasure, thanks for having me on.

So before we started recording, David, I said that the name of your book, I think you

noted that it was something like redistricting in America and they didn't think that that

was provocative enough. So I think they certainly found the way to describe it that would

do it justice.

I think it's apt. Unfortunately, my mom can't know I have a book, which is a little bit

sad, but it's certainly an apt description of what happens.

It's always to protect our mothers. So guys, today I want to talk about, you know, normally

we call it redistricting. Really what we've had is gerrymandering a term that goes back

to literally the founding of the Republic and the political extremism that comes with

it. And I had David Pepper on the show last week who took another look at this from the

state angle. So I'm glad we're doing it again today. But first guys, I want to set the

stage briefly by going back a decade or so. So remember, it's in the Constitution that

every 10 years we do a census, right? Have to know how many people we have. And also because

we're a federal system, you know, we do what's called reapportionment. Every state gets two

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