8. The General and the Agent

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True Crime

4.7 • 797 Ratings

🗓️ 17 January 2025

⏱️ 58 minutes

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Summary

We return to the solicitor’s office in West Belfast as Mark meets three crucial people to discuss the end of Scappaticci’s time in the IRA and his eventual uncovering as the agent Stakeknife.

Credits

Reporter: Mark Horgan Produced and written by: Mark Horgan and Ciarán Cassidy Co-Producer: Paddy Fee Editing and Sound Design: Ciarán Cassidy Composer: Michael Fleming Sound mixing: Ger McDonnell Theme tune by Lankum Artwork by Conor Merriman Assistant Commissioners for BBC: Lorraine Okuefuna and Sarah Green. Commissioning Editor for BBC: Dylan Haskins

Stakeknife is a Second Captains & Little Wing production for BBC Sounds.

Transcript

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0:00.0	BBC Sounds, music, radio, podcasts.
0:04.8	You're about to listen to a brand new episode of Steakknife, the new series of cover.
0:09.3	Episodes are released weekly, wherever you get your podcast, but if you're in the UK,
0:13.0	you can listen to the latest episodes, right now, first, on BBC Sounds.
0:17.3	And the following podcast contains interviews that some listeners may find upsetting,
0:22.4	and some occasional strong language.
0:26.1	Episode 8, The General and the Agent.
0:29.0	When I think about the dirty war and I think about Scabotici,
0:32.8	I think of that as being one of the most filthy episodes
0:37.0	of the conflict period,
0:39.7	weighing up one life against another.
0:44.7	This is Barney Rhone, a former security correspondent with the BBC.
0:50.6	Oh, yeah, sorry.
0:52.6	Okay, let's see now.
0:56.2	Did you tell me you dug out the Woolsey?
1:00.9	Yeah, I want to play for you if that's okay.
1:03.9	The Willsey tape, Barney is referring to,
1:05.7	is a 1993 interview he did with the top military official in Northern Ireland.
1:08.9	I think that was the first interview with an Army General for something like 15 years.
1:13.6	Generals in the North didn't speak, basically.
1:16.6	General John Wilsey was the top Army official in Northern Ireland,
1:20.6	the GOC, the General Officer in Command.
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