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Yes, sir, and they have the car stopped in ten and granch, Michael Byther.

We still don't know who pulled the trigger. Hello everyone and welcome to police Off the Cuff, Real Crime Stories.

I'm your host, retired NYPD Sergeant Bill Cannon, a 27-year veteran of the NYPD.

You know, folks, this case with Ruby Frank and, of course, her business partner, Jody Hildebrandt, is really sort of a landmark case.

Not, well, I shouldn't say landmark. It happens far too often.

However, many of these abuse cases are hidden, buried by the affluence, perhaps, of the perpetrator,

and covered even worse by a religious institution.

And what we're finding out here is both of those things are true here.

However, an unusual thing here is that in the case of Ruby Frankie,

her own daughter, her eldest daughter, Shari, who is a junior at Brigham Young University,

is one of her, the people in her own family is pointing

a finger at her.

Allegations.

It's not so difficult to make allegations against a woman who had a podcast with over

2 million subscribers who featured child abuse on her own podcast.

I don't know how she's going to defend that in her defense,

because we all know she's been arrested and arraigned on six counts of child abuse.

And then we get to her business partner, of course,

Jody Hildebrandt, who the more I find out,

the more she reminds me of, you know,

let's use a term for the devil out of the Bible,

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