So, this whole, what's a conspiracy, what's collusion?

What's a crime, what's obstruction of justice, all interesting stuff we've had.

Alan Dershuis on a couple of times, he's got that book out the case against impeaching

Trump or whatever it's called.

And making the argument that not obstructing justice, et cetera, we thought we'd get a

lawyer on who sees it a different way to see what direction this could go, because you

never know when you get it in front of a judge or a jury, the jury being the house

or representatives, I guess.

Right.

Harry Littman is an attorney, constitutional law professor at UCLA and UC San Diego,

an American lawyer, law professor, political commentator joins us now.

Mr. Littman, how are you, sir?

I'm very well.

Thanks, Jack.

Thanks, Joe.

Good to be here.

Excellent.

Maybe we call you Harry, Harry.

Please, please do, Jack Joe.

Terrific.

So listen, the word collusion has been thrown around wildly as if that is a label akin to

a murderer or something like that.

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