Hello friends welcome back to another episode of theology in the Rob my guest on the show today is

Lori Ferguson Wilbert I came across Lori's work on Twitter goshosh, it must have been maybe six or seven years ago. I'll never

forget in the midst of writing a book. I forget which book I was working on, but I remember

coming across a tweet that Lori made and thought

that it captured exactly a point that I was kind of working on in a book and so I

actually quoted her, I quoted her tweet in a book.

And I went back right now just to look at which book it was.

And I can't even remember which book it was that I quote her.

And anyway, she doesn't even know about that.

I told her on the show that I had quoted her in a book and she

didn't even, yeah, wasn't aware of that. Anyway, Lori has, she's written this recent book called

Handle with Care, how Jesus Redeems the Power of Touch in Life and Ministry.

And so the book deals with how Christians should navigate physical touch in a Me Too era is the best way I can

kind of summarize it.

So we talk really frankly and really just honestly about navigating that, for like a better terms, that balance between

touching each other, like being actually physical with each other and yet being sensitive to how certain

forms of physical touch can violate somebody else's space and how to navigate kind of the balance

between being flirtatious on the one hand and you know maybe going too far

with the so-called Billy Graham rule on the other where you know men maybe

don't even you know minister to women you know for fear of being for that being

taken as a sexual advance or whatever.

So I ask a lot of really good honest questions,

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