#796 A Deep Dark Dive with Jenny Lawson
Mental Illness Happy Hour
Paul Gilmartin
4.8 • 6.1K Ratings
🗓️ 17 April 2026
⏱️ 117 minutes
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The brilliantly dark, funny and sensitive 5x NY Times bestselling author and blogger(@TheBloggess) drops by for a mammoth and deep episode about her struggles with imposter syndrome, trichotillomania, dermatillomania, anxiety, including social anxiety, suicidal ideation and treatment-resistant depression. Her fabulous new book is called How To Be Okay When Nothing is Okay.\
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| 0:00.0 | Welcome to episode 796 with my guest, Jenny Lawson, who I'm very, very excited to, well, |
| 0:07.8 | I already talked to her, but I'm very excited for you guys to hear the episode. |
| 0:13.9 | For those of you, the regular listeners, you know that I've been struggling a bit. |
| 0:18.6 | This episode that interview that I recorded with Jenny, |
| 0:22.8 | uh, was recorded actually just a few days ago. And I was having a good day. Probably it was |
| 0:28.3 | probably because I was excited to, uh, to meet her and, and, and talk to her. But, um, I've been |
| 0:34.9 | having a rough couple of, uh, days emotionally and mentally and kind of, yeah, just feel like |
| 0:43.9 | this is going to be another week where I just don't have the bandwidth to do the surveys. |
| 0:48.4 | So I'm just going to get right into the episode with Jenny. And for people that are Patreon donors, I will be doing a little video check-in and kind of update on how I'm doing for that. |
| 1:07.1 | So you'll be getting that instead of surveys for this week. |
| 1:11.3 | And, yeah. So you'll be getting that instead of surveys for this week. And yeah, fuck me, huh? |
| 1:16.0 | I just want to hit my head hard enough to go to sleep for a few weeks. |
| 1:19.4 | I live alone with a bird. |
| 1:21.5 | We do not occupy that much space than don't own a car in other people's heads. |
| 1:26.4 | I never sort of knew I might turn around and hit you. I had rage inside of me. Exhausting. Until I became apparent. It's traumatizing to watch someone you love so much. And I'm glad I got to the other side of it. In so much pain, you are not as fragile as you fear you are. And he's yelling he's going to kill her. You don't have to go through pain. It's so |
| 1:45.3 | nice to be reminded to find purpose of how much love. First time I was suicidal and now I'm |
| 1:51.2 | homicidal. And goodness there is. And he said, well, that's good. That's an improvement in the world. |
| 1:56.5 | Because you're not thinking about yourself. Isn't that great? |
| 2:01.4 | I'm here with Jenny Lawson. |
| 2:02.9 | Thank you for coming. |
| 2:05.3 | Thank you so much for having me. |
| 2:07.6 | Oh my gosh, |
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