Welcome to the Council of Tren Podcast, a production of Catholic Answers.

It is free for all Friday here on the Council of Tren Podcast, I'm your host, Catholic

Answers Apologist, Tren Horn.

Mondays and Wednesdays we talk apologetics theology.

Friday we talk about whatever I want to talk about.

Oftentimes it's on a non-Catholic subject, but sometimes Friday is a great time to talk

about something related to Catholicism that doesn't fit as well with the material I usually

like to cover on Mondays and Wednesdays.

So today I want to talk about the problem of getting out of echo chambers, the divides

that sort of take place between conservative and self-described traditionalist Catholics,

what are those labels even mean?

So I was recently invited on the Avoiding Babylon Podcast to talk about, so actually it's

a YouTube page, so please go and check it out, Avoiding Babylon, Anthony and Rob had

me on, super nice guys, it was nice to be able to engage and have a dialogue with them.

I'll go back on in the spring to talk about my new book Against Liberal Catholicism, but

until then definitely go and check them out, Avoiding Babylon over on YouTube, and I hope

you guys enjoy this excerpt with the conversation we had just about echo chambers and different

conservative slash traditionalist Catholics and how we interact with one another.

It's not about we don't like a certain group of people, it's none of that, we just want

the church to stay the church, and when you're seeing these gatherings come and you're

seeing the impression, because I would say this, I won't put you on the spot and ask you

what you think on this, but if you asked me as the hierarchy or Francis taught that same

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