791 Stop People-Pleasing with Meg Josephson
The Terri Cole Show
Terri Cole
4.9 • 1.5K Ratings
🗓️ 11 December 2025
⏱️ 36 minutes
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Summary
The fawn response is the fourth trauma reaction beyond fight, flight, and freeze. Childhood experiences create patterns of people-pleasing that disconnect you from yourself. Meg shares her personal journey from a volatile, addiction-affected home to clear boundaries. Along the way, she reveals practical tools including her NICER technique for managing anxiety and overthinking. Stop self-silencing, set boundaries without guilt, and reconnect with your authentic self. Are you struggling with people-pleasing, conflict avoidance, or feeling uncertain who you really are? This episode is perfect for you. Plus, we chat about grieving relationships that will never be and creating a sense of home within yourself.
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| 0:00.0 | Well, hello there, and welcome to this episode of The Terry Cole Show. |
| 0:04.1 | Wow, I have such a treat for you guys today. |
| 0:06.9 | Have you heard of a New York Times bestselling book called Are You Mad at Me? |
| 0:11.9 | Well, that was written by a therapist named a young therapist named Meg Josephson. |
| 0:17.8 | And Meg was on the show. |
| 0:20.7 | And I interviewed her. She's a psychotherapist. And she's been |
| 0:25.6 | featured all over the place. She's wonderful. The book is great. And it's what we talk about most in |
| 0:31.1 | this interview is about the reaction of fawning, right? We have fight, flight, freeze, and fawning. And when you're |
| 0:40.0 | worried all the time that people are mad at you and you have that sense, a lot of times this is, |
| 0:45.8 | you're going into this fawn response. And so she gave us tips and she gave us some strategies. |
| 0:51.4 | It was really, really wonderful. I learned a lot. I think that you will learn a lot. And I really |
| 0:57.1 | enjoyed having her. So I hope that you do too. |
| 1:16.3 | This is the Terry Cole show. And as you might have guessed, I'm your host, Terry Cole. |
| 1:21.1 | For over two decades, I've been a licensed psychotherapist, love and boundaries expert, |
| 1:25.3 | and I'm also the founder of The Real Love Revolution and Boundary Boot Camp. On this show, I'll bring you simple strategies based on practical psychology, inspiring expert |
| 1:31.2 | interviews, and my own insights and observations from my time on the front lines in the |
| 1:36.1 | fascinating world of entertainment, empowerment, and mental health. |
| 1:40.3 | Now let's get going with today's episode. |
| 1:50.4 | Thank you. Now let's get going with today's episode. I am so excited to welcome Meg Josephson to the Terry Cole show. Meg, welcome. |
| 1:56.5 | Thank you for having me. Super pumped that you are here. |
| 2:01.6 | So many things to discuss. |
| 2:02.9 | But before we get into your New York Times bestselling book, are you mad at me? |
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