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Sean Carroll's Mindscape: Science, Society, Philosophy, Culture, Arts, and Ideas

79 | Sara Imari Walker on Information and the Origin of Life

Sean Carroll's Mindscape: Science, Society, Philosophy, Culture, Arts, and Ideas

Sean Carroll | Wondery

Society & Culture, Physics, Philosophy, Science, Ideas, Society

4.84.4K Ratings

🗓️ 13 January 2020

⏱️ 83 minutes

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Summary

We are all alive, but “life” is something we struggle to understand. How do we distinguish a “living organism” from an emergent dynamical system like a hurricane, or a resource-consuming chemical reaction like a forest fire, or an information-processing system like a laptop computer? There is probably no one crisp set of criteria that delineates life from non-life, but it’s worth the exercise to think about what we really mean, especially as the quest to find life outside the confines of the Earth picks up steam. Sara Imari Walker planned to become a cosmologist before shifting her focus to astrobiology, and is now a leading researcher on the origin and nature of life. We talk about what life is and how to find it, with a special focus on the role played by information and computation in living beings.

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Sara Imari Walker received her Ph.D. in physics from Dartmouth college. She is currently Associate Professor in the School of Earth and Space Exploration at Arizona State University, Deputy Director of the Beyond Center for Fundamental Concepts in Science, and Associate Director of the ASU-Santa Fe Institute Center for Biosocial Complex Systems. She is the co-founder of the astrobiology social network SAGANet, and serves on the Board of Directors for Blue Marble Space.


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0:00.0

Hello everyone and welcome to the Minescape Podcast.

0:03.6

I'm your host Sean Carroll and today we are talking about life.

0:08.7

Maybe we always talk about life in some sense.

0:10.8

Most people who have had a Minescape Podcast are living organisms themselves.

0:15.4

No one has yet noticed that any of my guests have been chatbots or artificial intelligences.

0:20.9

But let's get deep a little bit here.

0:22.9

Let's ask what is life?

0:25.0

What do you mean by life?

0:27.4

This is the subject of astrobiology, which apparently grew out of exobiology.

0:33.2

I really just learned these vocabulary words.

0:35.2

I knew about the vocabulary words but I didn't know about their relationship.

0:38.4

Apparently we used to use the word exobiology but exo means external, right?

0:44.2

Out there.

0:45.2

So life on other planets or other stellar systems or whatever.

0:48.3

So it excludes life here on earth.

0:51.2

But astrobiology, despite the word astro being there, is now taken to mean just the idea

0:57.1

of life both on earth and outside.

1:00.6

So what do you mean when you say life?

1:02.2

And there's basically two angles you can take.

1:04.7

One is you can look at actual life.

1:06.7

Of course we're stuck with life here on earth but that's okay.

1:09.8

It comes in various forms.

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