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And welcome to what promises to be a fascinating, if not scary, episode of Dogman Debate, because I have Lee Larson here.

And Lee is something of an expert on Project 2025.

And if you've ever listened to Dogman Debate, you know that I am super freaked out by Project 2025.

So this is the guest I have been waiting for.

Lee, welcome to Dogman Debate.

Howdy, thank you for having me. I've really enjoyed catching up on your episodes and getting to know the world that you've built and for your

followers. And really, I'm just appreciative to be here. Thank you. Oh, thank you. So how did we,

how did you become such the expert on project 2025?

Yeah, so I am finishing up my master's.

I'm a Masters in Theological Studies candidate.

I will have my thesis in due November or December.

I got to double check.

And I chose to write the title of my thesis is United States of Empire, the Religious Right, Project 2025, and the U.S. military.

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