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Coaching for Leaders

785: Make Your Task List Work for You, with Liane Davey

Coaching for Leaders

Dave Stachowiak

Management, Careers, Business

4.81.6K Ratings

🗓️ 1 June 2026

⏱️ 39 minutes

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Summary

Liane Davey: Thoughtload

For the past 25 years, Liane Davey has researched and advised teams on how to achieve high performance. She is the author of You First and The Good Fight and is a regular contributor to Harvard Business Review. She is the author of the new book Thoughtload: Manage the Madness and Free Your Team to Do Great Work (Amazon, Bookshop)*.

We all love to hate our task lists. However, we can do a lot better with just a bit of strategy. In this conversation, Liane and I explore how to make our task list work for us instead of against us.

Key Points

  • Often it’s not really the workload that’s crushing – it’s more so the thinking about all the workload. That’s what thoughtload is.
  • The problem with a to-do list is that everything goes on it. Thus, to-do lists are terrible for managing your attention.
  • Instead of one task list, keep a limited amount of tasks on three priority lists.
  • Category 1 list: your most important outputs and outcomes.
  • Category 2 list: what you do to help others achieve their most significant outcomes.
  • Category 3 list: administrative stuff.

Four questions determine what gets on your lists:

  • Important (an activity that will add value to a key output or outcome)?
  • Urgent (something with growing negative consequences if you wait)?
  • Targeted (a task that no one can do as efficiently or effectively as you)?
  • Essential (core to creating the critical value, not just a nice-to-have)?

Resources Mentioned

  • Thoughtload: Manage the Madness and Free Your Team to Do Great Work by Liane Davey (Amazon, Bookshop)*

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0:00.0

Oh, we all love to hate our task lists. However, we can do a lot better with just a bit of strategy.

0:08.6

In this episode, how to make our task list work for us instead of against us.

0:14.6

This is Coaching for Leaders, Episode 785.

0:19.3

Produced by Innovate Learning, maximizing human potential.

0:27.6

Greetings to you from Orange County, California.

0:31.1

This is Coaching for Leaders, and I'm your host, Dave Stahofiak.

0:36.0

Leaders are born, they're made. And this weekly show helps leaders thrive at

0:41.2

key inflection points. You know, one of the challenges that we all face every single day when we

0:48.1

wake up, when we get working, is what do we do? Like literally, what are we going to spend our time on? We all have different

0:57.3

systems for doing that. Some of us keep it in our head. Some of us look at our calendar first,

1:02.4

and many of us have a task list. How do we use our task list in a way that actually makes it

1:08.7

work for us and not work against us, which happens so often

1:13.1

when we start making lists.

1:14.4

Today, a conversation on how we can look at this aspect of time management of productivity

1:20.4

to help us to be better and make our task list work for us.

1:24.3

I'm so pleased to welcome Leanne Davy to the show.

1:26.9

For the past 25 years,

1:28.7

Leanne has researched and advised teams on how to achieve high performance. She is the author

1:33.7

of You First and The Good Fight and is a regular contributor to Harvard Business Review.

1:38.5

She is the author of the new book, Thoughtload, Manage the Madness, and Free Your Team to Do Great Work.

1:46.5

Leanne, so lovely to have you on.

1:49.4

I'm very excited for this conversation, Dave.

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