the call. Is that okay? Is that comfortable? Yeah. Okay.

It's where there's a constant debate as to whether or not the headphones are the way to go.

Because the headphones are the only way that you can hear exactly what other

people are going to hear when they listen to the podcast so you can kind of like

review it while it's happening like and if only I wear headphones then it feels weird like I'm

interviewing you yeah and it seems kind of to focus my attention just on the yeah

what I hear and yeah yeah yeah welcome back man good see yeah Dublin from maps that's for whatever reason that

acronym I always stumble with multi disciplinary association for psychedelic studies yes

yeah and actually I was just yesterday with and today with Ralph Metzner and I got the name from him in a way he wrote a book maps of

consciousness and I needed a He wrote a book, Maps of Consciousness.

And I needed a name for the organization that had a P in it for psychedelic.

Right. And so I was looking around for words that had a P in it.

And maps, and I really liked what Ralph did and with Tim and around us and the

rest and so I I thought maps it helps you know explain a territory yeah well you guys

are so important when it comes to the the

dialogue of psychedelics because from an outsider this is how I always view maps

maps is always like oh those are the actual really smart

dude during the psychedelics because there's so many wacky fuckers out there in the world

of psychedelics and they want to bring you crystals and talk to you about channeling and I know a

healer and there's so much going on that's so crazy and then there was science and

there was people doing actual peer-reviewed studies, there was actual scientists involved, there was real data, and you guys were pursuing it the right way.

And I was like, oh, these guys are so important.

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