Hello, everybody. I am sitting here with Seville King.

Seville is a therapist. She has also a YouTube channel called A Quality Existence.

And she's really been diving into this whole problem of the meeting crisis.

She's been talking about John Ravaki, about myself. She had a discussion with Paul Vanderclay.

So she's really in the midst of things. And she's also trying to connect

a lot of the ideas that we're bringing up with Robert Piercig, who is the author of Zen and the Art of

Motorcycle Maintenance. So a pretty famous book. I have not read it. So I'm kind of discovering

that whole area with Seville. And so I'm, yeah, I'm kind of discovering that whole area with Seville.

And so I'm really looking forward to seeing her insight and where we can get to in this whole problem of the meeting crisis.

Music This is Jonathan Peugeot. Welcome to the symbolic world. Well, thank you, Jonathan. I've really enjoyed your channel. I, as many of us did, I came through to this through Jordan Peterson.

And I was watching, you know, I was watching his lectures. This was

before he became famous because he just was touching on so many areas that I was interested in.

And it was helping me understand, you know, certain psychological, big psychological issues,

understanding Carl Jung, and there was the meaning aspect of it. and this is sort of when I was I had started to

really become interested in in spirituality my own spirituality and the way my clients were

using their spirituality you know to deal with let's just say mental health issues and other

issues so so I began in the arts, and we may have a similar experience because when I was in art school,

some of the things you say about being in art school and being kind of bulldozed by postmodern art, that certainly happened to me. I was in art school and being kind of, you know, kind of bulldozed by postmodern art. That certainly

happened to me. I was in, I was in art school in New York in the 80s, so that was a big deal then.

And so I was in the arts for a long time. I was in the antiques business, art restoration business.

And then I found, you know, that I needed,

I just found myself drawn to psychology

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