people talking is an art form or medium which is probably quarter a million years old or half a

million years old in evolutionary terms, okay? Whereas everything else is 5,000 years or less.

Yeah.

I mean I don't even know if the Egyptians had drama, I'm guessing they might have done.

Yeah.

But, you know, I don't know what their plays would have been about, but, but writing's what, 4,000, 5,000, 6,000 years old,

Max, isn't it? The only two things that are really, really old, conversation and dogs.

The two things that are really old, yeah.

My theory is about podcasting that, well famously I think Socrates never wanted to write anything down and part of the

reason for that it might be apocryphal is that if you write something down you

don't have to remember it it's like you don't you sort of you you should

be practicing this all the university policy for not taking notes but it didn't

really work in my case yeah well also there's a sense in which the way philosophy is supposed to be done is through conversation.

Yes. And so when you write down philosophy what you're actually creating is this

simulacrum of the ideal way of doing philosophy which is through conversations so you know

Socrates or Plato. Right writing a book about philosophy is the wrong way to do it

isn't it? Yes. You know where you're going when you start I think that's why

I think that's why so many philosophies are done in the style of dialogues that is like

You know you have said the same thing the dialectic is the same is similar isn't it? Well you have I mean

literal dialogues between characters so like the platonic dialogues, Galileo

writes dialogues, Hume writes dialogues, and he invents these characters in order to

make a philosophical point because instead of just saying

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