Hello and welcome to Outrage and Optimism, I'm Tom Rivick-Karnak.

I'm Cristiana Figueroz.

And I'm Paul Dickinson.

This week we talk about what's next for activism now we have a US president who understands science.

We speak to activist Shia Bastida and we have music from Millie Turner.

Thanks for being here.

So guys, as the world continues to recover from the trauma that was the US election with the outcome that is seeming increasingly exciting,

but as according to President Trump not yet conclusive, although I think he might be the only one who feels that,

what is clear is that one of the major elements that transported Biden to the White House was a massive youth turnout.

As far as I can see, most of the data suggests it was the highest youth turnout for like 40 years and finally,

finally, exactly, and they really understood what the issue was and central to that was Biden's commitment to deal with climate.

As John Podesta said to us the other day, he closed on climate and often presidential candidates

closed on the issue that is most central to their candidacy.

So all very exciting, but it poses that a very interesting question now.

How should activists respond to finally having that success and having someone in that position of power

who understands their issues, but inevitably will not be able to go as far as they would like?

And I think that's now an interesting question that people who care about this issue are going to have to grapple with.

What do you guys think?

Well, you know, the way you set that up, Tom, reminds me of the end of one of the three cops that we had in Poland.

And my daughters were with me and it was a very, very difficult cop to get to agreement to.

And at the end, we finally, finally got agreement.

Obviously, when you have 195 nations, it usually goes down to the bare minimum, right?

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