I'm Neil deGrasse Tyson.

Hey, I'm Adam Carolla.

Hi, my name is Penn Gillette.

Not only listening, I'm a guest.

I'm a pen and teller, and I am the fourth listener.

And I am the fourth listener.

And that must make me at least the fourth listener.

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means we are joined by the one and only mr

travis cliburn welcome travis thank you for having me yet again regilio i hope you're feeling

liberated i'm feeling liberated from my finances from my sanity from my future

retirement you know yeah who needed that idea of retiring someday and figuring out

we're to travel to and what to do with all that spare time hanging over my head thank you for

taking it away dear leader trump 401 no way you know yeah no kidding okay i hear you man but who does let's did you

hear this little clip it is it possible the tides are turning I would introduce

this gentleman to you Travis but I am so confident that you'll know this voice,

this one of a kind, unique voice.

Oh yeah, okay. Let's see.

When he said this, let's listen to this gentleman.

On a bad idea of how international trade works.

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