a face value read of the gospels without needing any theological degree or any of that

side by side with this book, you're going to notice a completely different message.

Welcome to the Alisa Childers podcast and so glad you've joined us today. We're going to be talking

with Hillary Ferrer and T.C. Cannon doing a little book review of Jen Hattmaker's new book,

Fear's Free and Full of Fire, the guide to being glorious you. So please take a moment and subscribe

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release a new video because we've got some really interesting conversations coming up in future

videos and you're not going to want to miss those. And so Hillary and T.C., welcome. It's so

great to have you on with me today. Hi. Yay. Love being back. Yes. Well, you've actually both been on

my podcast before T.C. to talk about your book, Lord Where's My Calling and Hillary to talk about

the Mama Bear book which all three of us contributed to but it was kind of your baby,

you're the general editor and the leader of that whole endeavor. But both of you are authors and

speakers. And so when I was going to read this book because I'm writing a review for the gospel

coalition for the Jen Hattmaker book, I thought of both of you because I think Hillary with your

experience in apologetics and I just think you have such a good analytical mind when sort of

dissecting ideas like this and then T.C. Same, great thinker. But also you have some really

significant boots on the ground experience with women and women's ministry. Like we were talking

about this before we went on the air, you have looked into the eyes of women who are probably

the target audience for a book like this and you have witnessed over years and years of doing

women's ministry how these ideas are going to affect someone like that. And so I think both of you

are going to have really unique wisdom to bring to this subject. And so the episode that aired

before this one was my review of Glennon Doyle's book Untamed. And I couldn't help but notice there's

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