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This is John Dillin, it's July 5th, 2017.

Bart Campolo is super cool and I'm interviewing Bart's interviewing me today.

Bart's dad is named Tony Campolo and I've heard Tony Campolo described as sort of like

in the vein of Billy Graham, just a nationally known, probably internationally known, evangelical

pastor.

And Bart is, I understand the story and I'll be interviewing Bart for warmest stories

in a month or so.

So we'll get the full skinny then.

Bart became sort of a youth pastor and started to get his own national or international following.

But then he had this unfortunate experience of Luzi Gaspathe as an evangelical minister.

And it rocked his world because all of a sudden it was not easy for him to do what he had

done because he is kind of hard to be a Christian pastor when you're not sure if you believe

in Christ.

So Bart, his retooled his ministry to be targeting humanist, secular people, non-religious

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