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Coaching for Leaders

760: The Kind of Curiosity Leaders Often Miss, with Shannon Minifie

Coaching for Leaders

Dave Stachowiak

Education, Business, Management, Self-improvement, Careers

4.81.6K Ratings

🗓️ 24 November 2025

⏱️ 40 minutes

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Summary

Shannon Minifie: Box of Crayons Shannon Minifie is the CEO of Box of Crayons, a learning and development company that helps unleash the power of curiosity to create connected and engaged company cultures. They are the organization behind the bestselling book The Coaching Habit by Michael Bungay Stanier. Shannon and her team recently released a report along with the Harris Poll titled Navigating a Fractured Workplace: How Relational Curiosity increases engagement, trust, and productivity. Of course, you’ve heard that being curious and coach-like will help in leadership. But sometimes the very thing we think we’re doing well is actually getting in the way. In this conversation, Shannon and I explore the kind of curiosity that leaders often miss. Key Points 5-6 hours of the average workweek is lost to the fear of making mistakes. A strong majority of leaders say employees are expressing a desire for more feedback, and a majority also say that people are unable to receive hard feedback. Relationships are the core of these conflicting messages. Without a relationship of trust, helpful feedback often doesn’t land that way. Intellectual curiosity helps us learn what we don’t know. Relationship curiosity helps the other person learn what they don’t know. Ask yourself: what is my goal in asking this question? Rather than asking a question that starts with a “why,” consider asking a question that starts with a “what.” The 7 Essential Questions: What’s on your mind? And what else? What’s the real challenge here for you? What do you want? How can I help? If you’re saying yes to this, what are you saying no to? What was most useful for you? Resources Mentioned Navigating a Fractured Workplace: How Relational Curiosity Increases Engagement, Trust, and Productivity. Interactive Learning Preview: Invest in the Power of Curiosity The Coaching Habit* by Michael Bungay Stanier Interview Notes Download my interview notes in PDF format (free membership required). Related Episodes These Coaching Questions Get Results, with Michael Bungay Stanier (episode 237) How to Ask Better Questions, with David Marquet (episode 454) The Way to Be More Coach-Like, with Michael Bungay Stanier (episode 458) Discover More Activate your free membership for full access to the entire library of interviews since 2011, searchable by topic. To accelerate your learning, uncover more inside Coaching for Leaders Plus.

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Of course you've heard that being curious and coach-like will help in leadership, but sometimes

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the very thing we think we're doing well is actually getting in the way. In this episode,

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the kind of curiosity that leaders often miss. This is Coaching for Leaders, episode 760.

0:21.4

Produced by Innovate Learning, maximizing human potential.

0:29.9

Greetings to you from Orange County, California.

0:33.2

This is Coaching for Leaders, and I'm your host, Dave Stahofiak.

0:37.9

Leaders aren't born.

0:39.8

They're made.

0:40.6

And this weekly show helps you discover leadership wisdom through insightful conversations.

0:46.4

A conversation that we have been having throughout the time this podcast has been airing

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as a conversation about curiosity.

0:53.5

How do we do a better job

0:54.8

as leaders of being curious? Yes, because we learn more, we discover more, but also because

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it actually helps our organizations to be more effective and to perform better. Today, a conversation

1:07.3

on how we can do a bit better on an aspect of curiosity sometimes we miss. And I'm so

1:13.7

glad to have an expert back who's right in the middle of helping organizations, teams,

1:18.8

and leaders do this better. I'm so pleased to welcome back to the show, Shannon Minifie.

1:23.1

Shannon is the CEO of Box of Crayans, a learning and development company that helps unleash the power of curiosity to create connected and engaged company cultures.

1:33.1

They are the team behind the best-selling coaching habit book by Michael Bungay-Stanyer.

1:37.5

Shannon and her team recently released a report along with the Harris poll titled Navigating a Fractured Workplace, How Relational Curiosity,

1:46.1

Increases Engagement, Trust, and Productivity.

1:50.5

Shannon, what a pleasure to have you back.

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