Hi there, I'm Jason Gots, and you're listening to Think Again, a Big Think podcast.

Since the early days of the public internet, Big Think has curated more than 10,000 surprising, brain-bending, significant ideas, and shared them through video, text, and social media.

The Think Again podcast remixes this formula, surprising me and my guests.

With conversation topics we didn't necessarily come here prepared to discuss.

Today, I'm very, very excited to be here with Tim Ferriss.

Above all else, Tim's focused on learning how to learn,

and then applying those lessons to everyday life,

aiming at increased productivity, efficiency, and success,

however you define and measure that.

His books, The Four Hour Work Week,

the Four Hour Body, and the Four Hour Chef,

shared his learning experiments

in the culinary, physical, and business realms.

And his latest book, The Tools of Titans, distills lessonsed from guests like Maria Popova, Arnold Schwarzenegger, and Rick Rubin in conversation on his podcast, The Tim Ferriss Show. Welcome to Think Again, Tim. Thanks for having me. So, I mean, I wanted to start by nerding out a little bit on podcasting. How long have you been doing your show for? I want to say just over two years, maybe two and a half years. Okay. And yeah, this one's been on for about a year and a half. And what's that been like for you? Like how have you, you know, that's been a new medium for you, right? It's brand new, brand new. And it didn't start off as any type of business plan or anything.

It was a break between big books.

Before Our Chef was just a beast to put together, a very complex book.

It's an awesome book and I have it and it is a beast.

It's enormous.

It's a big, big book and just very complicated.

Unlike some of my other books, it was four color, a lot of photography

illustrations, many of which I did myself. I don't know why I thought that was a good idea. And I

was exhausted. So I wanted to take a break from book writing and had enjoyed being on podcasts. I'd

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