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🗓️ 9 December 2019
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It’s too easy to take laws of nature for granted. Sure, gravity is pulling us toward Earth today; but how do we know it won’t be pushing us away tomorrow? We extrapolate from past experience to future expectation, but what allows us to do that? “Humeans” (after David Hume, not a misspelling of “human”) think that what exists is just what actually happens in the universe, and the laws are simply convenient summaries of what happens. “Anti-Humeans” think that the laws have an existence of their own, bringing what happens next into existence. The debate has implications for the notion of possible worlds, and thus for counterfactuals and causation — would Y have happened if X hadn’t happened first? Ned Hall and I have a deep conversation that started out being about causation, but we quickly realized we had to get a bunch of interesting ideas on the table first. What we talk about helps clarify how we should think about our reality and others.
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Edward (Ned) Hall received his Ph.D. in philosophy from Princeton University. He is currently Department Chair and Norman E. Vuilleumier Professor of Philosophy at Harvard University. According to his web page, “I work on a range of topics in metaphysics and epistemology that overlap with philosophy of science. (Which is to say: the best topics in metaphysics and epistemology.)” He is the coauthor (with L.A. Paul) of Causation: A User’s Guide.
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0:00.0 | Hello everyone and welcome to the Mindscape Podcast. I'm your host Sean Carroll. |
0:05.1 | And you know if you're a long time listener that I tend to mix things up from week to |
0:09.3 | week, the episodes are not really related to each other for the most part. But this week's |
0:14.2 | episode can in some sense be thought of as a philosophical companion piece to last week's |
0:20.0 | episode. Last week we had Max Teigmark talking about the mathematical multiverse. Today |
0:24.9 | we have Ned Hall who's a philosopher in fact chair of the philosophy department at Harvard |
0:29.1 | University who's done absolutely important work on causality on the laws of nature and |
0:35.6 | also on the idea of possible worlds. The philosopher David Lewis who was very well known in philosophy |
0:41.8 | circles, although less well known to the general public, examined this idea of all possible |
0:47.2 | worlds and how they could be related to each other, not physically, not sort of causally, |
0:52.1 | but the different ways in which they differed from each other and how those ways entered |
0:56.3 | into our analysis of counterfactual conditions, examining possibilities that didn't actually |
1:02.5 | come true in our universe. So I talk with Ned about causation and the laws of physics, |
1:08.0 | as I said, and how he analyzed these ideas in the context of imagining all the different |
1:14.3 | possible universes out there. Now Lewis thought that all the different possible universes |
1:19.2 | were actually real, that they actually existed. That's very close to Max Teigmark's idea |
1:24.8 | of a mathematical universe where every mathematical structure actually exists. But it's |
1:29.4 | a little bit different. I think you can actually use the idea of possible worlds in a way |
1:35.1 | that doesn't necessitate that you believe that they're all real. But whatever your position |
1:39.4 | on that is, we're going to get there today. This is a wonderful conversation. Ned is just |
1:44.0 | a true genius at taking esoteric philosophical ideas and bringing them down to earth and making |
1:49.5 | them very understandable. So let's go. |
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