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Hey, everybody. As I record this, it's Friday, August 27th, 2021. Today's podcast is a conversation with Ben Rhodes, who was Deputy National Security Advisor for President Obama.

And we talk about Afghanistan, of course, our 20-year war on terror where we took our eye off the ball in our foreign policy and ignored things like climate and China and democracy,

all to our and to the world's detriment.

Then yesterday, the terrorist attack at the Kabul airport, leaving a lot of people dead,

including 13 American servicemen.

Sometimes I say this podcast is like The Daily without the resources of the New York Times,

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