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And put on a didgeridoo and shamanic drumming track, shivers or vibrations and stuff like that. We're live with Stephen Hammarica.

Welcome to Grimerica.

Thanks for joining us.

And congratulations on McEvelli Nation.

Thank you, Graham.

Thanks for having me.

I'm super excited to be here.

Oh, yeah, we're excited to have you, too. I mean, this has been great. This has been a great experience.

Getting your book on audio and, you know, Darren and you worked on that mainly. But congratulations, man.

You know, it's funny because we have people coming to us with books and stuff

like that and it's like it's hard to fit in reading and all but as soon as i started

reading it and listening to it i was like i was kind of like just caught with it and i was like

this seems really good this seems good like it's more you know more professional than expected

so i mean it got to ask you what, how long did it take you?

And, and what? And, uh, it seemed to take a lot of deep research, too. So it's kind of fascinating.

Well, it took me about five years of actual writing, but it's kind of built out of things that I've been thinking about, you know,

apart from a book, just ideas that I have that come into my mind and I think, well, that'd be

a really awesome idea. Never follow through with it because the next idea always comes in

the very next day. And then I just put it on a shelf

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