755: Chrome Extensions and Ad Blockers VS Google with Oliver Dunk

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Wes Bos

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🗓️ 12 April 2024

⏱️ 54 minutes

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Summary

We were wrong, Manifest V3 is a big deal. Scott and Wes sit down with Oliver Dunk from Google to dive into the intricate world of Chrome Extensions development. From dissecting Manifest V3 to exploring the evolving landscape of browser security and extension reviews, this conversation covers the present and future of browser customization. Show Notes 00:00 Welcome to Syntax! 00:32 Who is Oliver Dunk? 02:00 Brought to you by Sentry. 03:17 Manifest V3. 08:59 How many rules can you add? 09:56 What even is a rule? 10:52 Is Google trying to kill ad blockers? 13:56 What are the bad guys doing with Chrome extensions? 15:17 Can a browser extension access HTTP-only cookies? 16:06 Is Chrome reviewing all of these extensions? 19:06 Is there a way to side-step Google’s review process? Reddit Thread, The real threat of Manifest V3 20:32 Do you see the negative chatter? 21:18 Service workers - how do do you access the DOM? 23:32 Do you think we’ll see more DOM APIs in service workers? 25:58 Do you have a favorite Chrome extension? 28:33 Has Google ever explored something comparable to Boost? SidePanel 33:09 Let’s talk about the development stack. 35:54 1Password and Chrome. 38:39 What is the best way to debug an extension? YouTube Chrome for Developers 40:33 Manifest V3 and the web request blocking API. 41:57 Known tracking payloads. 44:04 Do you think there is a path forward that makes ad-block developers happy? 44:45 Do you run an ad blocker? 45:20 Whitelisting and opt-ins. 46:38 What’s your tech setup? 47:18 What do you do to stay up to date? 47:51 Sick Picks + Shameless Plugs. 51:47 Wait, is Safari adopting V3 as well? Sick Picks Oliver: Defunctland YouTube, LEMMiNO YouTube Shameless Plugs Oliver: Chrome Extensions Getting Started, WebExtension Playground Hit us up on Socials! Syntax: X Instagram Tiktok LinkedIn Threads Wes: X Instagram Tiktok LinkedIn Threads Scott:X Instagram Tiktok LinkedIn Threads Randy: X Instagram YouTube Threads

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0:00.0	Welcome to Syntax. We got some major pushback for saying that the Manifest V34 Chrome extensions wasn't a big deal.
0:10.0	People really felt like Google was intentionally trying to break their ad blockers with these changes.
0:16.0	Well, today joining us is Oliver Dunk, who is a developer relations engineer at Google,
0:21.0	and we're going to be talking all about the future of extensions on
0:24.7	Chrome, the changes, the controversy around ad blockers, and more.
0:30.1	Oliver, welcome to the show. Can you give us a little bit of a background on who you are and what you do?
0:36.0	Yeah, thank you so much for having me. As you mentioned, I work on the Krem Devrail team, specifically on extensions.
0:42.0	I joined about a year and a half ago so in January of
0:45.0	last year. Before that I was an extension developer working at One Password which is a
0:50.0	password management extension. So I had lots of experience working on extensions
0:55.0	and actually going through some of this manifest version
0:57.2	free transition myself and then solely been transitioning into this role at
1:00.6	Google, helping other people migrate and trying to improve the platform to make it easier.
1:06.0	Nice. Yeah, Wes and I both have been a long time one password users and really, really, that's like the one extension extension I think maybe the very first
1:15.0	extension I install on any new one. Oh nice so yeah yeah yeah that's that's
1:19.2	interesting stuff we had talked we had Anna Publitz on and we talked to her about Pasquies as well as a lot of the interesting
1:27.1	stuff around with the one one password app and how all that works and I know that's probably a different show but there
1:33.9	one password does some really cool stuff specifically around like Wasm and
1:39.2	Rust and all kinds of neat stuff there. Yeah I think it's a really good demonstration of all of the different things you can do with extensions,
1:46.3	like you mentioned, web assembly to bring in other languages, hooking into different browser
1:50.8	APIs to use different things like pass keys in different ways. into different
1:53.4	browser APIs to use different things like pass keys in different ways.
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