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The History of Literature

752 The Brontes' Sibling Rivalry (with Catherine Rayner) | My Last Book with Keith Cooper

The History of Literature

Jacke Wilson

Arts, History, Books

4.61.3K Ratings

🗓️ 24 November 2025

⏱️ 63 minutes

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Summary

Charlotte Brontë wasn't born the eldest child, but she was thrust into a leadership role at the age of ten, as the Brontë children dealt with the tragic deaths of their mother and two eldest sisters. How did this affect their family dynamic? And when the younger two sisters, Emily and Anne, had their novels accepted while Charlotte's alone was rejected, how did Charlotte respond? In this episode, Jacke talks to author Catherine Rayner, expert in the Brontës and a qualified nurse who's studied the effects of childhood on the development and psychology of adults, about the swirl of sibling psychologies explored in her book The Brontë Family: Sibling Rivalry and a Burial in Paradise. PLUS author Keith Cooper (Amazing Worlds of Science Fiction and Science Fact) stops by to discuss his choice for the last book he will ever read. Join Jacke on a trip through literary England (signup closing soon)! The History of Literature Podcast Tour is happening in May 2026! Act now to join Jacke and fellow literature fans on an eight-day journey through literary England in partnership with ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠John Shors Travel⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. Scheduled stops include The Charles Dickens Museum, Dr. Johnson's house, Jane Austen's Bath, Tolkien's Oxford, Shakespeare's Globe Theater, and more. Find out more by emailing jackewilsonauthor@gmail.com or masahiko@johnshorstravel.com, or by contacting us through our website ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠historyofliterature.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. Or visit the ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠History of Literature Podcast Tour itinerary⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠John Shors Travel⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. The music in this episode is by Gabriel Ruiz-Bernal. Learn more at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠gabrielruizbernal.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. Help support the show at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠patreon.com/literature ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠or ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠historyofliterature.com/donate ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. The History of Literature Podcast is a member of Lit Hub Radio and the Podglomerate Network. Learn more at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠thepodglomerate.com/historyofliterature⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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1:26.6

But while Ishmael was a fictional character and seems

1:29.4

reliable enough, if limited, Charlotte was a real-life person with motivations of her own. How much did she

1:38.2

distort the story? And why did she do it? We talked to author Catherine Rayner about the sibling rivalry of the Brontes.

1:48.5

Plus, we hear from Keith Cooper, expert in science fiction and science fact,

1:54.4

about his choice for the last book he will ever read.

1:58.0

That's all coming up today on the history of literature.

2:10.9

Okay, here we go. Welcome to the podcast. I'm Jack Wilson, your host. I'm glad you're here.

2:16.2

Let's jump right in. The story starts with a grave.

2:19.2

A mystery around a grave. And Bronte was buried in Paradise, a place called that, literally.

2:27.4

Author Catherine Rayner noted that piece of trivia and noted that Paradise was 70 miles away from where the rest of the

2:36.0

Brontes were buried. She was curious about that, and she started tugging on some threads,

2:42.0

and she wound up with enough to write a book about it. These Brontes were, of course,

2:46.5

like any other family, full of cliques and alliances, supportive, squabbling, jealous at times, rivalrous.

2:55.6

They were not like any other family in a couple of big ways. One is the inordinate amount of

3:01.7

tragedy that they knew disease and death was a constant in their lives, a daily constant,

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