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I'm Neil deGrasse Tyson. Hey, I'm Adam Carolla.

Hi, my name is Penn Gillette. Not only listening, I'm a guest.

I'm a pen and teller, and I am the fourth listener.

And I am the fourth listener.

And that must make me at least the fourth listener.

It's Dogma Debate with your host, Michael Regilio. For extra content and to join the conversation,

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And welcome to what absolutely promises to be a great episode because I've got

Garrett Hoover with me.

And Garrett Hoover is a longtime listener

of dogma debate. And he is a Christian and a believer. And that always, it just, it

excites me that Christians are out there listening to an atheist podcast because it reminds me

that there are so many Christians with open minds that want to hear the arguments against

what they believe and want to make sure fortify their belief system by being exposed to

people like me, an atheist, heathen, Michael Regulio. And Garrett has written to me a bunch of

times on Instagram. We go back and forth. We have discussions. And the last time he wrote to me,

I said,

Garrett, come on the show. Let's, let's actually discuss this on dogma debate. So he's here to

talk about a couple of things with me. Garrett, welcome to dogma debate. Thank you very much.

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