On today's podcast, a man who was suggested by Robbie Williams, bless his heart, the maker of Faith Taxi and other known websites you've probably been on before, JT, thanks for coming.

Thank you.

You don't usually do interviews, is what you were saying before.

Never do interview, I did a keynote once, but it's mainly for trade, like for people in the outer industry, for the trade publications and things.

And what was it about the outer industry that you gravitated towards and ended up working in?

Pawn, thinking that going to be on lots of different sets, looking at naked ladies in the flesh and reading all the stories and thinking, just believing the hype around the pawn.

Like the glamorous side of it?

Yeah, and really finding out it's not that glamorous, it's really boring.

So yeah, but right at the very beginning was just an opportunity.

I'd, I'd classed myself as an entrepreneur, but a pretty spectacular failed entrepreneur.

Can you tell us about the failures you had before you got in the industry?

Yeah, there was one of the ones was solar water products, so we were trying to better...

More than poured that, so fair.

We were trying to...

Crykey, China heat up, like use a creating ovens and China heat water so that it would get above 63 degrees or whatever it was, so it would be past your eyes for the third world countries, but using the sun.

Right, no pool though, I suppose.

I mean you won't get any credit for that now, you have to applaud.

Nobody will care about that now.

I'm a little brownie points, they've been ticked off.

Yeah, that failed.

We just couldn't get the temperature up, ready.

Then there was a toothpaste.

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