75. Inconceivable With Jason Usry

The Consult: Real FBI Profilers

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Talk Radio, True Crime

4.8 • 1K Ratings

🗓️ 11 March 2025

⏱️ 58 minutes

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Jason Usry, host of the new podcast Inconceivable: The Story of Temujin Kensu, joins The Consult to discuss his investigation into the 1986 murder of Scott Macklem. Temujin Kensu was convicted of the crime, but many believe he was wrongfully convicted. Jason approached this case with an open mind, initially assuming Kensu’s innocence before uncovering more complex truths. This episode explores his journey, his visits to Michigan, and conversations with those involved. You can follow The Consult on social media: X/Twitter Instagram Facebook For additional information and resources, please visit our episode website: https://www.truecrimeconsult.com/75-inconceivable-with-jason-usry/ Music “Light in the Basement” by John Hanske. Listen to more of John’s music on Spotify. If you enjoyed this episode, consider supporting us on Patreon for early and ad-free episodes. Visit Patreon.com/theconsultpod to become a subscriber.

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0:00.0	In the consult, we discuss cases involving violence, sexual violence, abduction, and murder.
0:08.0	Sometimes the cases we discuss involve children.
0:12.0	Listener discretion is advised. Welcome to the consult.
0:31.6	I'm Julia Cowley, retired FBI agent and profiler, and today I'm joined by Jason Usri podcaster, writer, and editor extraordinaire.
0:46.1	So Jason is the host of Santa, maybe a criminal, and missing in a moment. So those are two podcasts. If you haven't listened to them,
0:56.9	I recommend you check them out. Santa may be a criminal is a bit more lighthearted, I'd say. And
1:02.9	missing in a moment, some of your episodes are some of the most compassionate true crime episodes
1:08.1	I've ever heard. So I highly recommend listeners, listen to those podcasts of
1:13.6	yours. But that's not why we're here today. We're here to talk about your latest project,
1:20.7	Inconceivable, the story of Temogen Kensu. This is a new podcast that you've spent a great deal of time investigating. And as our listeners know,
1:33.5	we covered the murder of Scott Macklam. And we created a profile of his killer. And ultimately,
1:41.3	we believed that Fred Freeman, who's now known as Temogen Kensu was wrongly
1:47.0	convicted. Many people believe that. And so having Jason here today on the show, I want to discuss
1:55.2	with him, you know, what drew him to the case. He went to Michigan to do research on this case, and I want to find out,
2:03.5	you know, how his perspective evolved along the way. So many questions for you, Jason. And so
2:10.0	welcome, welcome to the consult. And by the way, I also have to mention that Jason is not only
2:15.8	the editor of our show, but he's also the editor of the
2:20.3	prosecutor's podcast and their other podcast legal briefs. So he works behind the scenes
2:27.8	on our show as well. But now you're the star of the show today. Welcome, Jason.
2:32.3	No, I'm never the star. You're the star.
2:35.0	No, I appreciate you having me on. It's a great honor to be here. Obviously, we've worked together for more than a year.
2:42.0	It's been so eye-opening to hear what it's like to be, you know, in the BAU and to walk through cases and, you know, learn some of the things that you
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