Hey True Crime Besties, welcome back to an all new episode of Serialistly. Oh, Hey everybody welcome back to an all new episode of

serialously it's me Annie Elise and today we are talking about Colts. Now I have got some very very

special guests for you today and they are the experts in everything psychological that goes into cults.

One of them actually has done extensive interviews with some of the women from the

FLDS compound. We have got a lot to talk about and we're going to be talking

about different colds FLDS the day bells eight passengers you name it we are

talking about it and we are going to have them weigh in and it's a really

important discussion to have today.

The origin story of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is not always

going to be beneficial when you have extreme thinking members that want to go back to those routes.

As far as the extremist that we're seeing in the news,

after going to these conferences first off they are all connected and

and that's what I want to talk about and that's what I'm actually really

angry about the

the issues I'm seeing over and over and over again because when John and I

started our podcast organically about the Daybell case we We actually said, hey, if we can help make

sense of this and stop this from perhaps happening again, like it'll be worth it. And now we see not just what happened to JJ entirely but what happened to Ruby Frankie's

dear children and I think it could have even been worse had you know R.F not bravely escaped his home we could have seen the exact same thing

again and so you asking this question is actually really important because we

need to figure out what the

hell is going on. Joining me today is Dr. John Mathias and his wife

Lauren Mathias. Dr. John is a forensic psychologist with almost 30 years of experience in both clinical and forensic

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