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TFTC: A Bitcoin Podcast

#748: The Bond Market Says Tick Tock with Luke Gromen

TFTC: A Bitcoin Podcast

Marty Bent

Technology

4.8804 Ratings

🗓️ 20 May 2026

⏱️ 79 minutes

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Marty sits down with Luke Gromen to discuss the unsolvable U.S. sovereign debt trap, why the Fed will be forced to print money to cap yields into a new inflation spike, and how AI-driven labor disruption and the Iran-Hormuz supply shock are accelerating the end of the dollar-centric world order.

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0:00.0

You've had a dynamic where money has become freer than free.

0:10.0

If you talk about a Fed just gone nuts, all the central banks going nuts.

0:16.0

So it's all acting like safe haven.

0:18.0

I believe that in a world where central bankers are tripping over themselves to devalue their

0:23.4

currency, Bitcoin wins.

0:25.4

In the world of fiat currencies, Bitcoin is the victor.

0:28.4

I mean, that's part of the bold case for Bitcoin.

0:31.4

If you're not paying attention, you probably should be.

0:34.4

Mr. Groman, where do we even start?

0:39.3

We have a big meeting in China last week.

0:41.3

We have yield curves blowing out in Japan and the UK, even here in the United States,

0:47.3

and we have this backdrop of this re-industrialization and AI build out.

0:53.3

And it's kind of hard to grasp what's going on at the same time you have this supply chain disruption

0:59.2

because of what's going on in Iran.

1:02.9

And it's been harder than ever for me to figure out where the signal is because I've been playing with AI. It's incredibly

1:12.7

powerful, made me way more productive. We're looking at yield curves. We've got a new Fed chairman

1:19.4

transitioning in and you're looking at the yield curves. It's like there's so much potential here,

1:25.0

but it feels like the the boogeyman of sovereign debt is going to throw a wrench in the plans of, of this buildout.

1:35.6

Yeah, it's, um, if you ignore what's going on with sovereign debt, everything looks pretty good, which is sort of like, other than that, how was the play, Mrs. Lincoln? That really, I think, is the economic question of the moment,

1:52.8

which is, when are they going to start printing money into an inflation spike to cap bond deals?

2:03.7

They're going to. They're going to have to. I think there is zero chance that Warsh, et cetera, Trump at all are going to come in and go,

2:10.3

you know what, 10 year yield and the bond market, you know, they're, they're, they're, they're

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