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Coaching for Leaders

745: How Music Can Help Us Lead, with Mort Sherman

Coaching for Leaders

Dave Stachowiak

Education, Business, Management, Self-improvement, Careers

4.81.6K Ratings

🗓️ 18 August 2025

⏱️ 39 minutes

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Summary

Mort Sherman: Resonant Minds
Mort Sherman is the retired Senior Associate Executive Director of the American Association of School Administrators, known for his visionary leadership as a superintendent dedicated to elevating academic standards and promoting equitable education. Throughout his career, he championed initiatives that addressed achievement gaps and empowered communities to foster inclusive, impactful learning environments. He is the author, along with his daughter Sara Leila Sherman, of Resonant Minds: The Transformative Power of Music, One Note at a Time.

So many of us love music, and it’s often at the core of a lot of our personal lives, celebrations, and emotions. But we don’t often think about how we can leverage its power at work. In this conversation, Mort and I explore how music can help us set the tone for better leadership.
Key Points

One way to nurture our teams and ourselves is a continual call for leaders, and music is an avenue we don’t often consider.
Using music as mindful action, coupled with executive function skills, supports the habits of successful leadership.
Start meetings with music or mindfulness exercises for collective focus, productive discussions, and creative outcomes.
Create team playlists to build community. Combine playlists with meetings to help support trust and respect.
Use music to reinforce a message or theme, tied to the needs of the moment.

Resources Mentioned

Why Cooks Cook from The Bear

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0:00.0

So many of us love music and it's often at the soul of a lot of our personal lives and celebrations and, of course, emotions.

0:08.8

But we don't often think about how we can leverage its power at work.

0:13.7

In this episode, how music can help us set the tone for better leadership.

0:19.2

This is Coaching for Leaders, Episode 745.

0:23.7

Produced by Innovate Learning, maximizing human potential.

0:32.1

Greetings to you from Orange County, California. This is Coaching for Leaders, and I'm your host, Dave Stahofiak.

0:40.1

Leaders are born. They're made. And this weekly show helps you discover leadership wisdom

0:45.8

through insightful conversations. So many of us enjoy the arts in our lives and in our work,

0:53.8

and so many of us enjoy music. But we don't

0:56.7

often think about how music can actually enhance our work and how it can actually help us to

1:03.4

lead better. Today, a conversation looking at some of the intersections of what we often

1:08.6

think about in the personal domain, but the opportunity

1:11.5

that we have to bring music into leadership in a way that helps us to lead more effectively,

1:17.7

brings joy and movement into our organizations. I'm so pleased to welcome Mort Sherman to the show.

1:23.9

Mort is the retired Senior Associate Executive Director of the American Association of School Administrators,

1:29.8

known for his visionary leadership as a superintendent dedicated to elevating academic standards and promoting equitable education.

1:37.6

Throughout his career, he championed initiatives that addressed achievement gaps and empowered communities to foster inclusive, impactful learning environments.

1:45.4

He is the author, along with his sister, Sarah Lila Sherman, of resonant minds,

1:50.5

the transformative power of music, one note at a time. Mort, what a joy to have you with me.

1:56.4

Thanks so much for being here.

1:57.9

Dave, it's wonderful to be with you. And, you know, we always talk about

2:02.0

getting on with our lives after our careers are over. And you use a word retired, which I first

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