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The Owen Jones Podcast

74. Tory corruption threatens British democracy

The Owen Jones Podcast

Owen Jones

Politics, Government, News & Politics, News

4.41.4K Ratings

🗓️ 26 April 2021

⏱️ 55 minutes

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Summary

Revelations about lobbying and the Tories has descended into a psychodrama involving Dominic Cummings - but this is really about corruption, and it is undermining British democracy. Joining me to explain how is journalist Adam Bienkov, Transparency International Chief Executive Daniel Bruce and Spinwatch campaigner and author Tamasin Cave.


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0:00.0

Hello, hello, hello. Welcome. Happy Sunday or whichever day you're watching or listing

0:12.0

to the show. As lockdown gradually eases, Mayhem continues. There was a lot to talk about

0:19.2

today. General corruption, sleaze at the heart of power. And we've got some great guests

0:25.8

to actually talk about what there's all means, what's actually happening. A lot of politics,

0:31.3

particularly in the political lobby, lobby journalists, reduce what happens to a psychodrama.

0:36.4

It's like an episode of EastEnders. We're going to try and avoid doing that, especially avoiding this

0:41.4

big, the dominant coming show, which all too often is what this becomes. Now, what is going on?

0:47.7

Let's just get a gist, a flavor of some of the things we're going to talk about. And then we've

0:52.8

got wider themes. We're going to look at the big picture. So you've got Dominic Cummings,

0:57.1

who, to be fair, is one of the most unpopular figures in the country, but he claims there is an

1:00.4

unethical foolish, possibly illegal plan to get Tory donors to secretly fund the refurbishment

1:05.2

of Boris Johnson's flat, who possibly got loaned from a Tory donor. Liz Truss, the cabinet

1:12.0

minister, was pretty cagey when asked about that on the Sunday broadcasts. Now, Cummings is talking

1:18.8

about a dossier, and I think this is particularly important, which could down Boris Johnson over

1:23.0

delayed November lockdown, which we will talk about later. But if you remember, Sage, on the 21st

1:30.8

of September called for a circuit breaker lockdown in order to avoid catastrophe, that circuit breaker

1:39.2

didn't take place. Case is surged, so did death, and you variant, of course, was allowed

1:45.7

to enter the wider circulation, which was always the risk as cases multiplied. And more people

1:53.2

died in the second wave than died in the first wave. Now, Cummings himself is reportedly,

1:58.1

privately said to be worried about him going to prison because of vote leave on things that went

2:02.7

on in government. Boris Johnson's special envoy to the Gulf for close ally, Lord Lister,

2:06.7

resigned after scrutiny of his private sector interest. Now, he helped award four billion

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