That's when you need to take a little extra time.

Either say, okay, it's not worth it, or, okay, I'll train my dog to love this pumpkin,

and then we can take the photo.

There's no photo worth a sad dog.

They just isn't. Hey there, fellow behavior nerds. This is Hannah Branigan, and you're listening to Drinking

from the Toilet, the podcast that gets real nerdy about dog training, behavior, teaching, and learning. This week, I want to start

by sending a shout out to Celine Yang, who tried applying a few of the ideas she learned

listening to the recent episode that we did on Teaching Your Dog to Tug. And she posted a video

of her working with her dog successfully on social media, and she tagged me at it, so I got a chance to see it.

And that's really, really cool. It made me really happy. Celine, you are doing an awesome job,

and I am so grateful that you shared your success with me. That's really one of the best ways

you can possibly reinforce me, since ultimately that's the function of my podcasting behavior.

So speaking of social media, this week, I have a special treat for, well, for all of us,

myself included.

We're talking to Asa Jacobson, who is a Swedish dog photographer.

She's Kelpies and she also trains them.

We met, air quotes, internet met through a mutual friend, Emily, half of the mind of Carpe Momentum.

You will remember those guys from several other episodes, including a recent one on start button

behaviors. I've been following Asa on Instagram for a while now, and she takes beautiful,

even kind of magical photos of dogs and sometimes they're people. And she's teamed up with Emily to

put together an online course about training your dog to participate willingly in photographs.

The course is called Top Dog Model, which I think is pretty cute. In our conversation,

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