This is Democracy Now.

This is Democracy Now.

The War and Peace Report.

I'm Amy Goodman with part two of our conversation with Ralph Nader, who has spent more than half a century working as a consumer

advocate and corporate critic, and now has a new book out.

It's titled The Rebellion CEO, 12 leaders who did it right. Some may be surprised

Ralph to see you write this book. I mean you became famous for your book Unsafe at Any Speed,

the designed end dangers of the American automobile.

You're a well-known corporate critic.

But talk about some of the examples from the CEO of Patagonia

to Andy Shalal who founded Bus Boys and Poets, CEOs who you believe did it right.

Well, it's very important for us, not to mention millions of students in business courses,

to have contrast and comparison and yardsticks of the CEOs who did it

right and made profit in comparison with these giant self-serving self-enriching, dictatorial CEOs of Facebook, of Merck-sharpened

dome and other companies, ExxonMobil, the military munitions companies, Lockheed Martin, Boeing, Raytheon, General Dynamics.

How do you evaluate them?

If you let them evaluate themselves publicly and give us the

yardsticks they'll say oh we're just meeting market demand you know well they can

create markets like the opiate slaughter situation.

Over a hundred thousand dead every year in the U.S. from overzealous marketing of these opiates.

You can monopolize markets, you can deal with deceptive advertising, you can get

unfair subsidies against small business who doesn't get these subsidies. You can commit

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