We're good. Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome Peter Burgosian. Thanks for having

doing it. I appreciate it man I think I found out about you through

Sam Harris. I'm not sure but you're also friends with my friend Rory Singer.

Oh Rory is a great guy. Great guy and he got excited when you found out that you were coming on.

Rory of course, martial artist, a former UFC fighter.

Right. And he's tapped me many times.

I'm sure he tapped me many times too. So you you're you work at University of Portland State?

Portland State, yeah, I work Portland State, teach philosophy there. And you're also a guy who is you're in you're described as an

atheism advocate like not just an atheist but someone who actively promotes hey hey, you should probably try this.

I promote critical thinking and reason and rationality.

And the two go together?

Yeah, and I think that naturally leads to atheism

if people are honest with themselves.

And you mentioned Rory, I've been a long time martial arts my whole life actually.

Really? What did you start off with?

Fantasy-based martial arts, the bullshit. Like which ones? I did

everything I mean I did I tried Kempo I tried I literally tried if you would have put all of the martial arts together that don't work and put them in one sweet I tried them all of them

well Campo's got some good striking techniques.

They just don't have an overall comprehensive system to deal with grappling.

Yeah, I tried Gee Kundo, I tried Taekwondo, I tried,

I tried Taichi, so I tried him all and then I actually one of my turning points was when

Ron Van Cleef who was in the original UFC's early UFCs.

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