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Syntax - Tasty Web Development Treats

734: HTMX Web Apps with Carson Gross

Syntax - Tasty Web Development Treats

Wes Bos

Tech News, Technology, News

4.91.2K Ratings

🗓️ 23 February 2024

⏱️ 52 minutes

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Summary

Scott and Wes welcome HTMX creator Carson Gross to discuss the versatile applications and optimal scenarios for using HTMX, alongside insights into its creation and evolution. Join us as we explore the future prospects and improvements as we look towards HTMX 2.0. Show Notes 00:00 Welcome to Syntax! 00:52 Brought to you by Sentry.io 02:22 Who is Carson Gross? BigSkySoftware GitHub BigSkySoftware 03:53 What exactly is HTMX? htmx.org htmx.org/examples 07:04 What made you want to create something like HTMX? intercooler.js 10:01 Would HTML look more like HTMX if we were to rebuild it today? 12:54 Isn’t HTMX a step backward into old-school AJAX? 16:09 When would you avoid using HTMX? 17:56 Does HTMX put an unnecessary load on the server? 21:46 What are your thoughts on rendering everything on the server? 26:29 What is your favorite stack? 28:49 Things that are lost moving to the JavaScript framework world. 30:16 HTMX coupling your front end and back end. 32:28 How do you feel about web components? 33:40 What are the big templating engines and your top pick? HTMX Essays 36:33 Object-oriented HTML. 37:38 Is there an offline story or a “local-first” story for HTMX? 38:44 What does the future of HTMX look like given its rise in popularity? 40:03 HTMX and X (Twitter). Syntax Show 726 HTMX on X 42:30 The Microsoft story. 45:26 Carson’s thoughts on de-escalating the language around HTMX. 47:44 Sick Picks + Shameless Plugs. Sick Picks Carson: AlpineJS, Datastar Shameless Plugs Carson: Hypermedia Systems, HTMX Swag Hit us up on Socials! Syntax: X Instagram Tiktok LinkedIn Threads Wes: X Instagram Tiktok LinkedIn Threads Scott:X Instagram Tiktok LinkedIn Threads Randy: X Instagram YouTube Threads

Transcript

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0:00.0

Welcome to Syntax.

0:01.8

On this Friday supper club, we have Carson Gross here.

0:06.0

We're going to be talking all about H.T.M.

0:10.3

We're going to be able to pick the brain of the hypermedia man himself and talk all about

0:16.9

Everything that you all have been asking about since our first H.T.

0:21.5

H.T. My name is Scott Tolenski. I'm a developer. since our first have a carcinante to ask them all the questions that we have about

0:33.6

H. T. M. X and understand what's going on here and hopefully clarify because

0:40.0

we had tons and tons of feedback from that show and some of the stuff was valid and some of the stuff was just like oh you actually I don't think that you totally understand how it works so hopefully we're going to clarify all that.

0:51.0

Yeah totally and also if you're asking questions of your code like hey

0:55.8

why did this bug happen maybe you want to have a tool like century on your

1:00.3

side to reveal all of those bugs and why they happen so that way you can go solve

1:05.0

them. So if you want to use a tool like that, head on over to Century.io.

1:10.0

forward slash syntax. Sign up and you'll get two months for free. Carson, how's it going

1:15.8

my man? It's going pretty well. A little crazy. Things have been crazy since

1:20.6

last July in H.T.M. X land for sure got a lot more attention than I was

1:27.0

certainly used to when the Primogen picked it up and Fireship Dev did a short on it and so there's been a sort of a huge amount of attention.

1:38.0

A little overwhelming, but you know it's all good. It's fun. fun yeah was that the sort of catalyst for the it was I was I was

1:47.6

sitting on a on a bucket at a at the state youth baseball championship.

1:53.6

I'm a baseball coach here and I just checked Twitter

1:57.9

and was like, that can't be right.

2:00.8

And it's kind of, it's been that can't be writing for since about July. It was really good. I got very lucky because I released a book like you know

2:09.8

at the end of the middle and end of July last year and so it really helped just a lot of things kind of came together at one time so very lucky in that in that sense.

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