73: Why I don't call myself Gay, With Daniel Mattson ... Also Fr. James Martin's new book

Pints With Aquinas

Matt Fradd

Education, Religion & Spirituality, Christianity

4.8 • 7K Ratings

🗓️ 26 September 2017

⏱️ 31 minutes

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This is the second part in a two part series we've done on homosexuality. Be sure to listen to last week's episode before this one. Today we talk about terminology—why Daniel doesn't call himself 'gay'. We also respond to Fr. James Martin's new book, Building A Bridge. --- Thanks to the following awesome people who are supporting Pints With Aquinas on Patreon: Jack Buss! ... You're the man, Jack. Tim Davolt, Chris Reintjes, Tom Dickson, David Young, Andrew Kener, Desirae Sifuentes, and Sean McNicholl. James Boehmler, Laura Suttenfield, John Hipp, Kathleen Cory, Sarah Jacobs, Fernando Enrile, Travis Headly, Matthew Lafitte, Russell T Potee III, Jed Florstat, Phillip Hadden, and Katie Kuchar, Tom Clark, Ben Blythe, Trevor Sorensen, Russell Potee III, James Governale, Benjamin Morris, and John Droesch. You can support Pints With Aquinas here: Patreon.com/pwa --- Here's what Aquinas had to say about homosexuality (among other things): Wherever there occurs a special kind of deformity whereby the venereal act is rendered unbecoming, there is a determinate species of lust. This may occur in two ways: First, through being contrary to right reason, and this is common to all lustful vices; secondly, because, in addition, it is contrary to the natural order of the venereal act as becoming to the human race: and this is called "the unnatural vice." This may happen in several ways. First, by procuring pollution, without any copulation, for the sake of venereal pleasure: this pertains to the sin of "uncleanness" which some call "effeminacy." Secondly, by copulation with a thing of undue species, and this is called "bestiality." Thirdly, by copulation with an undue sex, male with male, or female with female, as the Apostle states (Romans 1:27): and this is called the "vice of sodomy." Fourthly, by not observing the natural manner of copulation, either as to undue means, or as to other monstrous and bestial manners of copulation. ST II-II, Q. 154, A. 11. SPONSORS EL Investments: https://www.elinvestments.net/pints Exodus 90: https://exodus90.com/mattfradd/ Hallow: http://hallow.app/mattfradd STRIVE: https://www.strive21.com/ GIVING Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/mattfradd This show (and all the plans we have in store) wouldn't be possible without you. I can't thank those of you who support me enough. Seriously! Thanks for essentially being a co-producer coproducer of the show. LINKS Website: https://pintswithaquinas.com/ Merch: https://teespring.com/stores/matt-fradd FREE 21 Day Detox From Porn Course: https://www.strive21.com/ SOCIAL Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/mattfradd Twitter: https://twitter.com/mattfradd Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/mattfradd MY BOOKS Does God Exist: https://www.amazon.com/Does-God-Exist-Socratic-Dialogue-ebook/dp/B081ZGYJW3/ref=sr_1_9?dchild=1&keywords=fradd&qid=1586377974&sr=8-9 Marian Consecration With Aquinas: https://www.amazon.com/Marian-Consecration-Aquinas-Growing-Closer-ebook/dp/B083XRQMTF/ref=sr_1_4?dchild=1&keywords=fradd&qid=1586379026&sr=8-4 The Porn Myth: https://www.ignatius.com/The-Porn-Myth-P1985.aspx CONTACT Book me to speak: https://www.mattfradd.com/speakerrequestform Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0	Welcome to Pines with Aquinas episode 73.
0:04.1	I'm Matt Fred.
0:05.6	Today we'll be continuing our discussion from last week on homosexuality.
0:11.6	If you haven't yet listened to last week's episode, I encourage you to do that before
0:16.4	listening to this one.
0:20.6	Last week we spoke about what the catacasem of the Catholic Church had to say.
0:32.8	We spoke about what St. Thomas Aquinas has to say in the Summathology.
0:36.9	Today we're going to be talking specifically about terminology.
0:40.5	We'll learn that Daniel finds the word gay, lesbian to be quite impoverished and reductionistic.
0:48.8	We'll talk about that and then we'll talk about what certain leaders in the church,
0:53.2	like Father James Martin, who recently wrote a book on building bridges to the LGBT community.
1:00.4	Why that might be less than helpful despite the fact that it's probably coming from a really good
1:05.0	place. Also, after listening to this interview, if you like what you've heard and you want to hear
1:10.8	Daniel's story, not just the apologetic philosophical stuff, but his story. You can become a patron
1:17.9	of Pines with Aquinas by going to pineswithaquinas.com and clicking support.
1:22.3	And that leads you to a Patreon page where you can give two bucks a month. That's it.
1:26.3	And by giving two bucks a month, you get access to an ever-growing audio library of exclusive content,
1:32.2	interviews I've done with philosophers, theologians and converts,
1:35.8	Daniel's is one of those interviews that you'll get to listen to.
1:38.4	All right, here's Part Two of the show.
1:41.7	Hey Daniel, good to have you back on the show with us. Last week you began talking about
1:47.0	people like me. That's something you said a bunch. And I'm trying to, I really want to get to
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