I dreamt that you were twisting through seven suns of gold and the gypsy was insisting

that his story must be told I came two in the morning but I took it as a warning

that you might be a treasure.

I could touch but never hold.

Hi, everybody.

Welcome back to the Soberful podcast.

This is Veronica Valley, and I have a very special interview for today.

One of my favorite people, somebody I've known from when she was

just a few months sober, to being on the brink of publishing her first book. So I'm really

pleased to welcome Laura McCowan and we have a really, really interesting discussion.

Before we get started, just want to tell you about Chip and I have a free

pop-up group that is opening on the 18th of December next week, and you can join it now.

We want to do a little pop-up group to help support people through this holiday season,

because we know it can be a struggle. There's just

alcohol everywhere. And it's not just alcohol, it's people. It's like dealing with all the

people and none of our routines are normal. And it can just be a really, really trying time of the

year for a lot of people. So we wanted to try and give you some support around that.

When you join our popper group, and here is the link to join, it's thrive.com.com.

Just type that in, thrive.d.soberfullife.com. And if you can't remember that, then just go to

soberfall.com and there's a link at the top of the page.

So in the group, Chip and I are going to be there offering support, but we're also going to have some workshops. They're entirely free. And you can attend them live and ask us questions, or you can just watch the video afterwards. So we're going to do a bunch of workshops. The first one we can do how to thrive this holiday season instead of just survive it. I know that for me, I felt like December 1st. When I was drinking,

it was just, I was just drunk all the way through. And by January 1st, I just felt awful.

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