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podcast. In this episode I speak to Michael Brendan Doherty, senior writer at

National Review, about the Populous Revolt on both sides at the Atlantic and why we must

defend the nation-state.

Spurious claims these past few weeks that Cambridge Analytica, a supposedly shady consulting

and data firm, swung both the US presidential election and Britain's EU referendum, reminds us just how desperate many are to explain away

the populist revolts of 2016. The idea that pink-haired data geeks or Russian troll armies

are what won it for Trump and vote leave seems to be comforting

to those in the elite who have had such huge blows dealt to their authority and right to rule.

But all these months on, with ballot box up rising springing up across Europe, what can we make of this

populist surge? Where is it heading? And why is it important to defend it against an elite hoping to

defame it? To explore these questions I spoke to Michael

Brendan Doherty, senior writer at National Review at the National Review offices in

New York City. So Michael we're here to talk about the current political moment as far as populism, this

revolt against technocracy, the kind of revolt against the revolt against technocracy,

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